Milwalkee riots

[paulpablo]

Well what does it have to do with anything I've said? You were showing me a comment you believed exhibited my racism and I told you it was just a post where I was explaining how I'm different circumstances we might have different moral values to what we have now, even in extreme cases like owning slaves.
Then you were explaining to me the logic behind restitution for some reason but I have no idea why.

Look, even back in those days there were white people vehemently opposed to slavery usually referred to as abolitionists. You made it very clear that YOU personally would not be among the abolitionists.

Now do you get it?

Oh ok, I do get where you're coming from now but I disagree.

The point I was making is that I admit to sometimes being morally weak.

I watch some hardcore porn now that I probably shouldn't watch, I'm sure some of the people in those films are exploited but I watch them anyway.

When I said if I was a rich slave owner I'd find it difficult to give up those slaves in an era where slavery was acceptable, what I mean is that I can imagine myself making excuses for the fact I have slaves and continuing being morally wrong but comfortable and secure.
I believe anyone who is even slightly morally weak in one instance might be weak in others.
If you're the type of person to bow down to peer pressure to make fun of someone who's to say you wouldn't join in with the nazis for example.
Everyone likes to think they'd be one of the good guys in situations like that looking back in historical hindsight

I might be being pessimistic and underestimating my moral character, maybe I'd free all my slaves, I don't know, given other circumstances I'm sure I'd join in the abolition movement.

[Regina]

It doesn't really matter if he actually was black or just looked it. Either way, the police probably saw a black/mixed kid and treated him as such, and that's what matters.

You're just clutching at silly irrelevant arguments now because I worded things differently from post to post, shame on me for not plagiarizing my own post word-for-word. Pettiness

Of course it matters. You are shifting the goalposts to suit your own argument when you are trying to say he is of mixed-race. However, in all sources, just as belle noted, he is classed as Hispanic and lived in an Hispanic area of the United States, therefore he isn't black by any stretch of the imagination.

For the final time because I'm done repeating the same point, being "Hispanic" does not negate your race. "Hispanic" is a culture, nothing more, nothing less. Being a "black Hispanic" or a "white Hispanic" is a legitimate as fuck identity. 

If you go to Cuba, Puerto Rico, Colombia, Brazil (Brazil isn't "Hispanic" but it is still "Latino", often used interchangeably) or any other Latin American society, all these societies have massively diverse racial demographics, division between the would-be "white" and "PoC" people of these countries, racial and class politics, and racism that comes with it. Calling all people from or descended from this region a homogeneous "Latin race" would be the same as a Mexican or Brazilian lumping The KKK and The Obamas into one homogeneous "Americana" race. It's ridiculous.

And by all means, drag the Arabs for having an African slave trade of their own, it's a legitimate conversation and Middle Eastern society needs to be held accountable for it. But do NOT use the "oh the Arabs had slaves!" argument to derail conversations about American chattel slavery, and act like it was just normal for the time so black people "just need to get over it because everyone did it". Does the Arabs having a slave trade suddenly undo the centuries of American human trafficking, forced labour, human experimentation (which we never hear about, yes, it happened), rape and splitting families up? Not it doesn't.

It also looks disingenuous because you only now suddenly care about the outrage of slavery when you can use the "oh they did it over here too!" argument.

[RobertE]

Well what does it have to do with anything I've said? You were showing me a comment you believed exhibited my racism and I told you it was just a post where I was explaining how I'm different circumstances we might have different moral values to what we have now, even in extreme cases like owning slaves.
Then you were explaining to me the logic behind restitution for some reason but I have no idea why.

Look, even back in those days there were white people vehemently opposed to slavery usually referred to as abolitionists. You made it very clear that YOU personally would not be among the abolitionists.

Now do you get it?

Does the name Anthony Johnson ring a bell?

[RobertE]

Of course it matters. You are shifting the goalposts to suit your own argument when you are trying to say he is of mixed-race. However, in all sources, just as belle noted, he is classed as Hispanic and lived in an Hispanic area of the United States, therefore he isn't black by any stretch of the imagination.

For the final time because I'm done repeating the same point, being "Hispanic" does not negate your race. "Hispanic" is a culture, nothing more, nothing less. Being a "black Hispanic" or a "white Hispanic" is a legitimate as fuck identity. 

If you go to Cuba, Puerto Rico, Colombia, Brazil (Brazil isn't "Hispanic" but it is still "Latino", often used interchangeably) or any other Latin American society, all these societies have massively diverse racial demographics, division between the would-be "white" and "PoC" people of these countries, racial and class politics, and racism that comes with it. Calling all people from or descended from this region a homogeneous "Latin race" would be the same as a Mexican or Brazilian lumping The KKK and The Obamas into one homogeneous "Americana" race. It's ridiculous.

And by all means, drag the Arabs for having an African slave trade of their own, it's a legitimate conversation and Middle Eastern society needs to be held accountable for it. But do NOT use the "oh the Arabs had slaves!" argument to derail conversations about American chattel slavery, and act like it was just normal for the time so black people "just need to get over it because everyone did it". Does the Arabs having a slave trade suddenly undo the centuries of American human trafficking, forced labour, human experimentation (which we never hear about, yes, it happened), rape and splitting families up? Not it doesn't.

It also looks disingenuous because you only now suddenly care about the outrage of slavery when you can use the "oh they did it over here too!" argument.

Please do not confuse hispanic with Lusitanian.

[Aroura]

There was nothing about that phrasing that sounded sarcastic. Seems like backpedalling to me.

I showed this video of some black people doing stupid shit then some accusation of racism starts.
So I jokingly say if it's racist that means this video represents black people as a race and I hope that isn't the case.
I don't get how someone couldn't see I'm being sarcastic, I thought it would be impossible.
That would mean I've never met a black people who could speak English well who didn't want to burn and loot buildings and how likely do you think that is?

I don't know you, Paul Pablo, but there are people who believe that black people are inherently more violent than other races. Since I don't know you, how am I to know if you are joking or being serious, when nothing about the way you typed that says sarcasm? No dopey smiley, no eyeroll, no /sarcasm, nothing. And you did not just post a video. You posted a video and included your own comments about it. While those comments were not kkk level, they were insensitive and displayed soft racism.

If you don't want to be viewed as racist, then don't say racist things and assume people can tell sarcasm on the Internet without a textual clue to said sarcasm.

[Huggy Bear]

*emphasis mine*

Are you stupid?

last I looked slaves did work hard, also they weren't paid anything... Giving the families of the slaves money that they are owed for unpaid labor is called restitution and is not a hand-out dummy.

Firstly, you misquoted me, since I am talking about today which has nothing to do with slavery. Secondly,

just for you son:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Then it's your own fault for not reading my post, since you're the one that responded to a post about the socioeconomic result of slavery.

[Athene]

Any good racist must acknowledge that there are exceptions to the rule...anomalies, if you will.

Nearly every racist I've ever called out in real life has been quick to tell me about that one friend.

Oh, I've been that one friend.
Needless to say, I was quite surprised to learn that I was "one of the good ones". It was definitely news to me.

Then of course, I became "the bad guy" for not being terribly excited about wanting to hang out any more. 
I guess that's my fault, though...I should've been flattered.

[RobertE]

Of course it matters. You are shifting the goalposts to suit your own argument when you are trying to say he is of mixed-race. However, in all sources, just as belle noted, he is classed as Hispanic and lived in an Hispanic area of the United States, therefore he isn't black by any stretch of the imagination.

For the final time because I'm done repeating the same point, being "Hispanic" does not negate your race. "Hispanic" is a culture, nothing more, nothing less. Being a "black Hispanic" or a "white Hispanic" is a legitimate as fuck identity. 

If you go to Cuba, Puerto Rico, Colombia, Brazil (Brazil isn't "Hispanic" but it is still "Latino", often used interchangeably) or any other Latin American society, all these societies have massively diverse racial demographics, division between the would-be "white" and "PoC" people of these countries, racial and class politics, and racism that comes with it. Calling all people from or descended from this region a homogeneous "Latin race" would be the same as a Mexican or Brazilian lumping The KKK and The Obamas into one homogeneous "Americana" race. It's ridiculous.

And by all means, drag the Arabs for having an African slave trade of their own, it's a legitimate conversation and Middle Eastern society needs to be held accountable for it. But do NOT use the "oh the Arabs had slaves!" argument to derail conversations about American chattel slavery, and act like it was just normal for the time so black people "just need to get over it because everyone did it". Does the Arabs having a slave trade suddenly undo the centuries of American human trafficking, forced labour, human experimentation (which we never hear about, yes, it happened), rape and splitting families up? Not it doesn't.

It also looks disingenuous because you only now suddenly care about the outrage of slavery when you can use the "oh they did it over here too!" argument.

The Greeks and Romans had slaves, the Egyptians had slaves, the Arabs, the blacks, the hispanics, Lusitanians, the whites all had slaves. It is a subject that I do care about and you think I only brought this up today just to use a "oh they did it over here too", argument? You are so wrong mate. Perhaps if you opened your eyes with respect to slavery in ALL cultures and not just one, then you might just learn something more. Do you feel guilty or something? I don't simply because I wasn't there to do anything about it therefore I cannot be held accountable, and neither should the current generations of whites, Egyptians, blacks, Chinese, or Arab. We live in the 21st century and we are always bringing up the past. Thank god Israel has forgiven (but not forgotten) Europe for its atrocities against the Jewish and are able to advance in life. And good luck to them too.

[Crossless2.0]

Nearly every racist I've ever called out in real life has been quick to tell me about that one friend.

Oh, I've been that one friend.
Needless to say, I was quite surprised to learn that I was "one of the good ones". It was definitely news to me.

Then of course, I became "the bad guy" for not being terribly excited about wanting to hang out any more. 
I guess that's my fault, though...I should've been flattered.

Yes, your fault. If you had been more tolerant and forgiving, eventually you would have worked your way up from 'patronized' to 'project in need of a white touch'. Given enough time, you might have either scored the awkward blind date or lived to see your white 'friend' begin to ape your taste in music and fashion.

[RobertE]

Firstly, you misquoted me, since I am talking about today which has nothing to do with slavery. Secondly,

just for you son:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Then it's your own fault for not reading my post, since you're the one that responded to a post about the socioeconomic result of slavery.

Those generations had nothing to pass down to their children hence the economic inequality.

That I agree with however, you cannot blame the white population for what is happening to the black population today. If there is economic inequality today, then get a job, but to get a job, you need an education, and to get an education, you want to have the desire to succeed. If you don't take that opportunity, then it is not the states fault, it is your families fault for not pushing you to do better instead of playing truant or whatever.