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[Athene]

What else would someone like you say? Seriously. 

I'm not surprised that you called me a racist; it's par for the course. Persons with your particular "issue" usually tend to project their shittier, less-than-stellar qualities onto others. I assume it's done in order for you to convince yourself that you're actually a great guy.

Do whatever you must to maintain that myth.


Note: Please refrain from claiming to know my thoughts regarding the individuals who you deemed fit to make your Acceptable Negro list; I'm positive that I've never mentioned any of them, anywhere, on any of these forums. 

If you could bothered to entertain the possibility of me being a human being who's capable of forming my owns thoughts and opinions, you'd probably come to learn that I would actually consider the type of individual who achieves personal success and doesn't wish to care or know about the mistreatment of others to be a garden-variety asshole, and that I would regard anyone of any race or subgroup who excessively seeks to gain the acceptance of those who continually oppress/demean/dehumanize them as an "Uncle Tom".

How's that for nuance?

There are also many, many hardworking, black Americans, who are self-reliant, achieve levels of personal success and move on with their lives  every day without feeling compelled to shut the fuck up and ignore injustice; I'm one of them. The  fact that you insist on pressing this false dilemma in which American blacks only choose between leading life as it's portrayed in Boyz in the Hood/Straight Outta Compton OR turning a blind eye, staying forever silent, and never, ever daring to challenge racial injustice really doesn't go too far in supporting the assertion that you aren't a racist douche. 

Would you like to guess why?

Five "stupid American" dollars says you can't.

Very important point indeed. Let us face it, in the United States, mistreatment is only for the minority and a specific minority. You need to realise that mistreatment of others again is something UNIQUE to the United States. If you were to come out of your bubble and look at the mistreatment of others in South America, Africa, Asia, the middle East, Australasia and Oceania, then you might actually say something along the lines like "well hey, I didn't realise that problems exist outside of the United States." Again, I say to you that you are culturally ignorant of other people that exist in the world today apart from two races; black and white.

No bubble here, RobertE. 

I'm aware that injustice and oppression occurs across the globe, affecting countless people of all races, from various walks of life; No one here's suggested otherwise. Surely, you can't be so dense as to believe that merely discussing a specific issue necessitates that one abandon all interest and/or concern involving anyone or anything else in existence.

The premise of the discussion within this thread surrounds BLM demonstrations in the US. This whole 'staying on topic=cultural ignorance' bit  is just a diversion you invented, because when it comes to the particulars surrounding the actual thread topic you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about...you just know you don't like it.




BTW/FYI:

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When you quote others' posts and choose to bold or highlight portions of the text for emphasis, you need to state that you've done so within the body of your response, as per the forum rules.

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[RobertE]

I am going to ask everyone a question and I guess I will know what the responses will be, I know what mine will be.

Scenario 1:

You are a white police officer with another white police officer who have been called to a situation where there is a guy holding a hostage and he was holding a gun. The guy is black and now, he has decided to let the hostage go because he has a bigger prize in sight; the police officer. You have a gun, and the guy is simply not going to listen to reason, being totally off his head on crack-cocaine. What would you do, would you let him go as far as to shoot you because remember, he is not going to listen to you and you are his prize to brag about later on with his mates. Or, would you take him out because you felt your life was in danger? Do you value your life more, or his, knowing full well that he will not back down for anyone?

Scenario 2:

You are a typical family unit and you are proud that your son or daughter has passed the selection process to get into the police force with flying colours. You are very proud, even though it is the police force, you are proud of your own flesh and blood. Now, unfortunately, your son/daughter is in a situation where she is confronting a black man with a gun and just like the scenario above, he is not going to back down whatever he/she tells him to do. He/She is shot and the emergency services have tried their best to save his/her life, but no, she succumbs to her injuries. Now, how would you react, would you start crying and then go and hunt the guy down who did this to your own flesh and blood, or would you say that he/she deserved it?

Scenario 3:

Your son/daughter is a white police officer with another white police officer who have been called to a situation where there is a guy holding a hostage and he was holding a gun. The guy is black and now, he has decided to let the hostage go because he has a bigger prize in sight; the police officer. He/she has a gun, and the guy is simply not going to listen to reason, being totally off his head on crack-cocaine. Now, your son/daughter takes him out because they feel threatened by this moron, even though his gun is not loaded. What would your reaction be, would you support your son/daughter or would you support the blm and complaining about how white police officers always take out black peoples lives.

[RobertE]

Very important point indeed. Let us face it, in the United States, mistreatment is only for the minority and a specific minority. You need to realise that mistreatment of others again is something UNIQUE to the United States. If you were to come out of your bubble and look at the mistreatment of others in South America, Africa, Asia, the middle East, Australasia and Oceania, then you might actually say something along the lines like "well hey, I didn't realise that problems exist outside of the United States." Again, I say to you that you are culturally ignorant of other people that exist in the world today apart from two races; black and white.

No bubble here, RobertE. 

I'm aware that injustice and oppression occurs across the globe, affecting countless people of all races, from various walks of life; No one here's suggested otherwise. Surely, you can't be so dense as to believe that merely discussing a specific issue necessitates that one abandon all interest and/or concern involving anyone or anything else in existence.

The premise of the discussion within this thread surrounds BLM demonstrations in the US. This whole 'staying on topic=cultural ignorance' bit  is just a diversion you invented, because when it comes to the particulars surrounding the actual thread topic you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about...you just know you don't like it.




BTW/FYI:

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When you quote others' posts and choose to bold or highlight portions of the text for emphasis, you need to state that you've done so within the body of your response, as per the forum rules.

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On the contrary, I am loving it.   Now get out of your bubble and start learning about other cultures like I asked you to earlier. Thanks for the information about quotes. I didn't realise I was committing a bannable offence.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Lol, you're even more of a stereotypical thinker than I had realized.

Have you ever lived in America? How many times have you visited?

Why would I want to visit the United States?

... and there's the last of it. Pray tell, why should anyone regard your opinion as informed?

[Brakeman]

Schools here are funded by property taxes raised in the district they serve. Schools in poverty-stricken areas have less money to work with, because real estate values are lower in their districts compared to wealthier neighborhoods. What that means is that poor folk here get less of precisely the resource they need most to break the cycle of poverty.

And because minorities in America typically make less than whites, that means they live in disproportionately poorer neighborhoods, meaning they receive comparatively poorer educations, meaning they don't have as much access to higher paying jobs, meaning that they live in ...

So in schools that have mixed student populations the Black, White, Asian, and Hispanic students perform statistically the same since they go to the same schools and get the same quantity of funding?

That's not actually observed..

Here's a Local community college graduation rate. Chosen because the vast majority of the students will have come from the same school sytems with roughly the same funding levels.


MTC Graduation Rate: 10%

The Midlands Technical College graduation rate for first-time freshmen who entered the college in a full-time, degree-seeking status in Fall 2010 and graduated within 150 percent of program time was 10 percent. Graduation data rate by gender and race/ethnicity is provided below:

Gender:

Male 9%
Female 10%

Race/Ethnicity:

American Indian or Alaska Native 0%;
Asian 17%;
Black or African American 2%;
Hispanic/Latina 19%;
White 12%;
Two or More Races 0%;
Race/Ethnicity Unknown 19%
http://www.midlandstech.edu/about/consum...-placement
What does this data infer?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Without knowing the demographics of the student body as a whole (rather than just grad rates) it's hard to infer much outside the point that for one reason or another the students don't finish their programs. Perhaps they're transferring after getting their GE credits, perhaps they're dropping out.

But if blacks make up two percent of the student body, a 2% grad rate would be above average. Do you have baseline data?

[Little lunch]

Schools here are funded by property taxes raised in the district they serve. Schools in poverty-stricken areas have less money to work with, because real estate values are lower in their districts compared to wealthier neighborhoods. What that means is that poor folk here get less of precisely the resource they need most to break the cycle of poverty.

And because minorities in America typically make less than whites, that means they live in disproportionately poorer neighborhoods, meaning they receive comparatively poorer educations, meaning they don't have as much access to higher paying jobs, meaning that they live in ...

So in schools that have mixed student populations the Black, White, Asian, and Hispanic students perform statistically the same since they go to the same schools and get the same quantity of funding?

That's not actually observed..

Here's a Local community college graduation rate. Chosen because the vast majority of the students will have come from the same school sytems with roughly the same funding levels.


MTC Graduation Rate: 10%

The Midlands Technical College graduation rate for first-time freshmen who entered the college in a full-time, degree-seeking status in Fall 2010 and graduated within 150 percent of program time was 10 percent. Graduation data rate by gender and race/ethnicity is provided below:

Gender:

Male 9%
Female 10%

Race/Ethnicity:

American Indian or Alaska Native  0%;  
Asian  17%;  
Black or African American  2%;  
Hispanic/Latina  19%;  
White  12%;  
Two or More Races  0%;  
Race/Ethnicity Unknown  19%
http://www.midlandstech.edu/about/consum...-placement
What does this data infer?

Why don't you tell us what you think the data infers?
While your at it, tell us your stance on the whole subject in general.
Or are you as chicken shit as the others? Or maybe just scared to make a fool out of yourself like Robert E.

[Brakeman]

Without knowing the demographics of the student body as a whole (rather than just grad rates)  it's hard to infer much outside the point that for one reason or another the students don't finish their programs. Perhaps they're transferring after getting their GE credits, perhaps they're dropping out.

But if blacks make up two percent of the student body, a 2% grad rate would be above average. Do you have baseline data?

No,
you are reading it wrong. The School is about half black as is our community. My daughter goes to school there.

The RATE of graduation is markedly lower not the school make-up,

Skin color should not have a segregating effect on graduation rate. I'm sure that it doesn't, it is a chosen culture that does, a chosen attitude.

[Little lunch]

So if you were black you wouldn't have chosen the same attitude that you think they have?