Pinocchio syndrome , the turing test

[fdesilva]

From the very inception of ones own consciousness, a human knows most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it associated experiences.
All its (humans) interactions with the universe is via its consciousness.
Now consider a child, it will initially think everything is conscious like itself. A baby will smile at a toy. So the toy starts of having passed the Turing test.
With more learning the child will start to pass and fail different objects as to if they are conscious or not.
Thus each person runs a Turing test on objects encountered all their life all the time.
Now in the past people ran Turing test on the sun, stars , the weather , volcanoes and most of the time these things passed their Turing test. As such they were worshiped as gods.
So the definition of the Pinocchio syndrome is this.
From childhood we have a tendency to assign consciousness to everything. Then we run a Turing test to assert if its correct or not.
All of us suffer from this syndrome and we need to keep this syndrome in mind when it comes to Strong AI. If the Turing test is weak then strong AI would be a worship of gods.
Now a better approach to this question would be this.
1.Each human knows very well what it is to be conscious. What constitutes a conscious experience. As such it would be possible to define a set of Axioms, the Axioms of consciousness.
2.In regards to computers again, a computer is not a black box. Humans know exactly how they work. As such it would be possible to decide if the working of the computer can bring about the Axioms of consciousness

I made this post shorter

[abaris]

You're sure you aren't Randy? That copy pasting walls of text without making any point to speak of, rather reminds me of him. Also he wouldn't lie about being catholic, so I'm calling it now.

[Jesster]

[brewer]

Cliff notes version please.

[account_inactive]

[Whateverist]

From the very inception of ones own consciousness, a human knows most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it associated experiences.

All its (humans) interactions with the universe is via its consciousness.

There is quite a lot which a fully formed (and brought to term) human infant cannot do at birth, both mentally and physically.  It seems wrong to say from inception, a human knows "most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it(s) associated experiences."  What exactly do you have in mind by "inception"?  Is this the moment the sperm and egg get together, or what?  If you're defining it as the moment consciousness kicks in then your statement becomes true by definition.

Also, why do you obsess about such things?  You're just spouting what you believe in as authoritative manner as you can muster.  This doesn't accomplish anything unless you're trying to do God's good work unto us which we to a man find annoying as hell.

[abaris]

Don't bother. That is either Randy in the flesh or something equally obnoxious and meaningless. Though I have to say I would be surprised by two equally meaningless catholics finding their way here. That would be a remarkably negative selection. Not that I would be a fan of catholics, but they're usually not as narrow minded and prone to post walls of text.

[LadyForCamus]

From the very inception of ones own consciousness, a human knows most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it associated experiences.
All its (humans) interactions with the universe is via its consciousness.
Now consider a child, it will initially think everything is conscious like itself. A baby will smile at a toy. So the toy starts of having passed the Turing test.
With more learning the child will start to pass and fail different objects as to if they are conscious or not.
Thus each person runs a Turing test on objects encountered all their life all the time.
Now in the past people ran Turing test on the sun, stars , the weather , volcanoes and most of the time these things passed their Turing test. As such they were worshiped as gods.
So the definition of the Pinocchio syndrome is this.
From childhood we have a tendency to assign consciousness to everything. Then we run a Turing test to assert if its correct or not.
All of us suffer from this syndrome and we need to keep this syndrome in mind when it comes to Strong AI. If the Turing test is weak then strong AI would be a worship of gods.
Now a better approach to this question would be this.
1.Each human knows very well what it is to be conscious. What constitutes a conscious experience. As such it would be possible to define a set of Axioms, the Axioms of consciousness.
2.In regards to computers again, a computer is not a black box. Humans know exactly how they work. As such it would be possible to decide if the working of the computer can bring about the Axioms of consciousness

I made this post shorter

You're STILL here???

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Boru

[fdesilva]

From the very inception of ones own consciousness, a human knows most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it associated experiences.

All its (humans) interactions with the universe is via its consciousness.

There is quite a lot which a fully formed (and brought to term) human infant cannot do at birth, both mentally and physically.  It seems wrong to say from inception, a human knows "most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it(s) associated experiences."  What exactly do you have in mind by "inception"?  Is this the moment the sperm and egg get together, or what?  If you're defining it as the moment consciousness kicks in then your statement becomes true by definition.

Also, why do you obsess about such things?  You're just spouting what you believe in as authoritative manner as you can muster.  This doesn't accomplish anything unless you're trying to do God's good work unto us which we to a man find annoying as hell.

Inception of consciousness