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RE: Trouble "Coming Out"
August 27, 2010 at 12:53 am
(August 26, 2010 at 11:44 pm)Entropist Wrote: (August 26, 2010 at 9:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Who or what is "Bob Dobbs?"
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Never heard of him. Looks like your normal run of the mill con artist.
Not so much different from Billy Graham or the pope, really.
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RE: Trouble "Coming Out"
August 27, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Actually, it all started as kind of a joke, I think. A lifetime membership is still only $30.00, and it looks like they have some insanely wild parties. Google Ivan Stang, he's the main instigator.
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RE: Trouble "Coming Out"
August 27, 2010 at 9:46 pm
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Yes. they usually think it is just a phase.
I recently told another aunt, almost blind........I just had to tell her because she frequently talks to me about Jesus and I just had to tell her, "Aunt- I am sorry, but I don't believe it- I can't...." She knows my story and what I went through.
She paused and looked so sad. Then she just said, "I love you."
My heart feels like it was ripped to shreds.
I never should have told her. It was a hard call but I just could not take it, the talk of the loving sky myth....
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RE: Trouble "Coming Out"
August 27, 2010 at 11:19 pm
At least your aunt knew what to say.
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RE: Trouble "Coming Out"
September 3, 2010 at 4:57 pm
(August 22, 2010 at 2:11 pm)RachelSkates Wrote: How did you all come out? Were you believed?
I "came out" on my blog which is fed back into Twitter and Facebook, which is accessible to everyone I know. As my folks are evangelical Christians and since I formerly played in a church band and was at church at least twice a week at one time, the shock was pretty intense for them. My mom isn't a very vocal person and wanted to talk to me one-on-one about my decision, but my dad is the opposite and "cornered" me the next weekend I was in town after I made the coming out post. I didn't say much when he cornered me and just kind of let him have his say. Arguing with him wouldn't have done any good anyway. They probably think I have been "deluded" or run off the rails by the books I have read, etc. He actually has told me twice now that he thinks I have "read too much," like it's a bad thing. So, let me get this straight, I want to reply: Go to college, educate yourself but only up to the point where it doesn't interfere with your beliefs. I probably could have been more tactful with the headline for my post because I named it: " The God Question: My Testimony." Just by looking at the title, they probably thought at first that I was about to affirm my faith, since believers often use the word, "testimony" as such. Oh well. It's done now. It continues to be difficult or awkward at times because my whole family goes to church all the time, prayers before meals, etc. etc.
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RE: Trouble "Coming Out"
September 13, 2010 at 2:49 am
Most members of my family either accepted it with little discussion or freaked out. My sister still thinks its just a phase and refuses to acknowledge that I am an atheist.
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RE: Trouble "Coming Out"
September 13, 2010 at 11:52 am
I told my mom I was an atheist. she was like "meh, you'll get over it" - not likely since I've seen 300+ episodes of the atheist experience and read the God Delusion and pascal's "religion explained" hehe. I'm lucky cause I'm in ukraine and while here are religious religion is almost never seen in day to day life here (going to church on weekends is not common here)
Have you found Jesus? If so read "the god dillusion"
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RE: Trouble "Coming Out"
September 13, 2010 at 10:57 pm
(August 27, 2010 at 9:46 pm)RachelSkates Wrote: Yes. they usually think it is just a phase.
I recently told another aunt, almost blind........I just had to tell her because she frequently talks to me about Jesus and I just had to tell her, "Aunt- I am sorry, but I don't believe it- I can't...." She knows my story and what I went through.
She paused and looked so sad. Then she just said, "I love you."
My heart feels like it was ripped to shreds.
I never should have told her. It was a hard call but I just could not take it, the talk of the loving sky myth....
What a wonderful aunt.
Dad's two sisters were like second mothers to me,but rabidly Irish Catholic. (one was buried in the robes of a Carmelite nun) Either one of them would have belted me across the ear,at any age. Mum's brilliant sister was an outspoken atheists all of her life. Sadly,she lived in Seattle, so I rarely saw her.
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RE: Trouble "Coming Out"
September 19, 2010 at 9:16 pm
(August 22, 2010 at 2:11 pm)RachelSkates Wrote: Hi all-
I am finding a tremendous amount of trouble coming out. Even when I do , I am not believed.
My sister came out before I did. We have many religious family members still. An aunt of ours who is also a missionary said, "She's not an atheist. She just think she's one..."
Huh? So if you can "think" you are atheist, can you also "think" you are an Xer?
It is taken for granted that religion is a good thing, and that an atheist is just someone who is a bit off. In my country you cannot even run for public office if you are an atheist, so strong is the sentiment that it is so important to human life that you cannot be rational without it. Imagine the guy in charge of the red phone without faith! (I would be more afraid these days if he does have faith. )
How did you all come out? Were you believed?
i wish i could help but i dont ever remember believing in god. i always took it as a fairytale. My advice would be just to tell them that you dont believe and just leave it at that if they dont believe you thats their problem.
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RE: Trouble "Coming Out"
September 19, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Any progress Rachel
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