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Quote:Keep in mind that a boy is usually circumcised within his first few days, or even hours, of life. He’s been comfortable, warm and protected in his mother’s womb for nine months. It’s possible the only person he is aware of is the woman who’s been nursing him, holding him, kissing him and whispering sweet nothings into his ear. Then, suddenly, he is strapped down by a stranger, tortured beyond comprehension and put back into his mother’s arms. Think about the damage that does to the mother/son bond. He can’t trust her anymore. For all he knows she was complicit in the activity – she didn’t appear to do anything to try to stop it. He can’t trust his father either. He can’t trust anyone.[/quote]
Very important bolded part. The most important bond in any mammalian form.
But what I don't understand is why males are so much more aggressive as a whole.
October 7, 2016 at 3:05 pm (This post was last modified: October 7, 2016 at 3:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
15 pages in, probably time for something meaty on the subject that -doesn't- grind people against their own suppositions.
Mutilation has a long and venerable history in human culture. It crosses borders, and you can find it on every continent. We prefer to call it "body modification" out of respect for the cultural practice. Some can be brutal, lengthy, and immensely dangerous. Most, are rites of passage. Many are intricate and positively gorgeous. This is the context out of which things like circumcision arise....and there was considerable disagreement, with early converts to christianity...about whether or not they had to snip their own, adult, dicks. The things that's important, though, in most rites of passage, is the desire of the participant. You have to want to get the scars, the needles, the knife...that;s what makes it work. You suffer for what you want to be included in. In presents a commonality of experience.
In the case of childhood circumcision, we appear to be taking the participatory and voluntary nature of a rite of a passage out, entirely. Hedging our bets against bad things happening before it's done, or the danger that someone may decline. Kind of makes it an odd duck.
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(yes, I know, I know, before anyone chimes in..not a factor so far as we can tell, but it is an amusing coincidence that castration anxiety exists in a society full of half-assed castrators, lol)
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(October 7, 2016 at 2:59 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:
(October 7, 2016 at 2:57 pm)RobertE Wrote: Bold is mine.
I am guessing that even though we are atheists/Christian/Jew/Muslim, we still believe that the male will always be dominant even in the 21st century. With respect, I know it is horrible, and I know that Jews and Muslims (both male and female) do it, but I cannot for the life of me understand why Christians would do such a thing. It is about time all religions got their act together, stop giving worthless sainthoods to people not worthy, and start looking after those who they are supposed to represent. Religion will be the death of many people to come...
I can't for the life of me understand how one sex can be dominant over the other. It's a ridiculous notion.
No one should hide under the umbrella of their sex. That's stupid. Nor should anyone mistreat you based on your sex. Both of those are irrational ways to be in the world.
I see people as individuals, not as males and/or females.
I wasn't personally implying, but giving an opinion of how the world seems in that we are still treating the women as the gentler sex and men as the alpha/strongman type and that we shouldn't lose any sleep over it. That is all. It is an impression I got from what Rythym stated.
(October 7, 2016 at 3:03 pm)Whateverist Wrote: [Addressed to EP.} Well they do have 'reasons' even if you don't think they're valid. There is no law against it. Reasonable people should be able to disagree about it without coming to blows.
What you said is true as it is pointless and obvious.
(October 7, 2016 at 3:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: 15 pages in, probably time for something meaty on the subject that -doesn't- grind people against their own suppositions.
Mutilation has a long and venerable history in human culture. It crosses borders, and you can find it on every continent. We prefer to call it "body modification" out of respect for the cultural practice. Some can be brutal, lengthy, and immensely dangerous. Most, are rites of passage. Many are intricate and positively gorgeous. This is the context out of which things like circumcision arise....and there was considerable disagreement, with early converts to christianity...about whether or not they had to snip their own, adult, dicks. The things that's important in a rite of passage, is the desire of the participant. You have to want to get the scars, the needles, the knife...that;s what makes it work. You suffer for what you want to be included in. In presents a commonality of experience.
In the case of childhood circumcision, we appear to be taking the participatory and voluntary nature of a rite of a passage out, entirely. Hedging our bets against bad things happening before it's done, or the danger that someone may decline. Kind of makes it an odd duck.
Good point. Think of all the piercings, tats and other forms of 'mutilation' that are so popular now and have such a storied tradition. The reasons for doing it to new borns are really tribal. What? You want her boy to be an outcast?
(October 7, 2016 at 3:03 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well they do have 'reasons' even if you don't think they're valid. There is no law against it. Reasonable people should be able to disagree about it without coming to blows.
This^
And personally I don't care if a parent chooses to circumcise their son or not. I only care whether the decision was made with the boy's best interest at heart, whatever it was.
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Personally, if they had to give a minimum age limit for circumcision, let us say the age of 11. I wonder how many parents would probably not, even if it does contradict their beliefs and cultures. Yes, I suppose it is a bit of a strawman. This is why it is done at such an early age, just to make sure there is absolutely NO recollection of events and their collective consciences would be clear.
15 pages in, probably time for something meaty on the subject that -doesn't- grind people against their own suppositions.
Mutilation has a long and venerable history in human culture. It crosses borders, and you can find it on every continent. We prefer to call it "body modification" out of respect for the cultural practice. Some can be brutal, lengthy, and immensely dangerous. Most, are rites of passage. Many are intricate and positively gorgeous. This is the context out of which things like circumcision arise....and there was considerable disagreement, with early converts to christianity...about whether or not they had to snip their own, adult, dicks. The things that's important, though, in most rites of passage, is the desire of the participant. You have to want to get the scars, the needles, the knife...that;s what makes it work. You suffer for what you want to be included in. In presents a commonality of experience.
In the case of childhood circumcision, we appear to be taking the participatory and voluntary nature of a rite of a passage out, entirely. Hedging our bets against bad things happening before it's done, or the danger that someone may decline. Kind of makes it an odd duck.
@Whateverist
"Welcome to earth, now somebody hand me his dick so I can cut it off" - and the pattern is set. People look at me funny, deep down...I'm probably thinking, that they're thinking...about cutting off my dick.
(yes, I know, I know, before anyone chimes in..not a factor so far as we can tell, but it is an amusing coincidence that castration anxiety exists in a society full of half-assed castrators, lol)
I have no idea what you're talking about but that made laugh out loud.
