Another Circumcision thread

[RobertE]

Can I be honest?  I just don't care about circumcision.  If your tribe does it and you don't find it hard to live with, go for it.  I know I had a hard night's sleep after having Smokey castrated .. but I'm over it.  He's happy.  My circumcised wiener is happy.  I've got more important things to worry about.  

Besides, how can we be sure the anti-circumcision guys aren't simply arguing to have all penises look like their own.  And where would that leave us sharpened pencils?  I'd prefer to be the one with the 'normal' wiener.  Nice try un-cut nazis.

How bad a person does that make me?  I mean, as a pro-choicer I'm resigned to fetal death and dismemberment on demand.  Compared with that a stylish gonadal nip and tuck is small potatoes.

A normal wiener is an uncut wiener What. The other benefit of being uncut is that the glans is snug like a bug in a rug when I get out of the shower. It is protected from the cold.

[RobertE]

[Catholic_Lady]

The only reason I'm not cut, is because my grandma's family aint all from round hur, lol.  War baby of a war bride.

All of my relations on my grandfathers side, down to my generation and up to him, all cut.  Now they (my grandparents) didn't end up having any sons, but my grandmother managed to impose her family's narrative and traditions upon their daughters, who in turn kindly declined the knife when offered.  Even my half brothers are uncut despite their father being cut.  Imagine the conversations you have, with your grandmother, to figure this sort of shit out, lol.  

"Granny, why is my pecker different than Poppy's, and daddy's?"  
-"Because your grandfathers family are base savages, boy."  

So I just grew up without the casual and uninformed acceptance that many americans have for the practice.  I didn't even know that fgm was a thing until, like, a few years ago....and immediately it jumped out at me as heinous shit.  The first thing that comes to mind, for me, is "What if someone cut part of my dick off, this is horrid, it needs to be stopped!".   

So, maybe there's a "pro" to leaving it un-snipped, ladies.  We'll be able, as men, to immediately identify, with no hypocrisy or irony....just why you should be allowed to keep your clits?  Here's to hoping for a better tomorrow, full of un-mutilated dong and vag, and the communal understanding which they grant us.  A world in which neither sex looks at the other sex's sexy bits and thinks to themselves.... "that, is filthy".

Bolded part is mine.

That is from a strictly Christian, or indeed Catholic point of view. I mean, give me a nice woman anytime who is actually clean and uncut, rather than a woman who maybe cut and unclean. As for hygiene, cut or uncut, there is absolutely no difference except that as "uncut", men, we take pride in (I do anyway) our bits and make sure they are as clean as a car in a showroom, sparkly clean. Whereas a cut peen, well, I am sure there are men who take a more relaxed approach and thus get into a false sense of security thinking they are clean when in reality.......

Ignorant statement. Circumcision has nothing to do with Catholicism.

[GrandizerII]

With respect CL, I don't think you can compare the two different surgical procedures. Only one of those is actually beneficial and positive to a

Benefits of circumcision have already been posted by both myself and egg. You just don't agree with them, or think they are worthy.  

The only benefit braces gave me were nicer looking teeth.

Oh, Jesus fucking Christ. What benefits, if any, are so fucking minimal that circumcision is not medically necessary in general. If the benefits were all that good, then all sensible healthcare professionals would be urging parents to circumcise their sons. But that's obviously not the case.

Furthermore, what results state is one thing and how they should be interpreted is another thing. So just because a statistically significant difference is detected in some of the results, which can often happen even if there is no serious difference in the population (especially if the statistical power is high), doesn't mean that the practical significance (or effect size) is high enough to make a confident decision. And let's not forget, in the cases of quasi-experiments, no matter how well quasi-experiments simulate experiments, they will never be as good as true experiments, and you can never be as confident about making conclusions of causality from quasi-experiments.

Overall, just because a study here says this and another study confirms it, does not mean we should now 100% trust the findings. In fact, chances are there may even be studies contradicting the findings of other studies. And that tends to happen A LOT in these peer-reviewed journals. And that's why replication matters. And why laypeople who don't know how to fucking be critical about peer-reviewed studies should not cite some scarce studies just to "be right".

And let's not forget the researcher's agenda as well. Agenda matters a lot, unfortunately. To the detriment of real science.

[The Grand Nudger]

a light hearted aside.

What do they do with all the foreskins?  What did they do with them back in the day?  Is/was there some mohel somewhere sitting on a mound of foreskin, gloating over it like a dragon on a pile of gold?  

[The Grand Nudger]

Ignorant statement. Circumcision has nothing to do with Catholicism.

Sure it doesn't.

I mean, it's not like catholics saw masturbation as filthy- just as imam who-gives-a-fuck sees a clit as filthy, it's not like they believe in a magic book that tells them to snip their sons.  Who do you think the nutballs that got americans to do this were appealing to? Why did it catch on? Medical studies about non-existent health benefits, you reckon....?



That circumcision as we practice it finds both it's genesis and it's support in the abrahamic religious traditions is flatly inarguable, Lady. Just another thing we have jesus to thank for. By we, ofc, I don't mean me.....I'm intact. I mean all the poor schmucks whose mothers cut their sons for christ without realizing it.

[RobertE]

Bolded part is mine.

That is from a strictly Christian, or indeed Catholic point of view. I mean, give me a nice woman anytime who is actually clean and uncut, rather than a woman who maybe cut and unclean. As for hygiene, cut or uncut, there is absolutely no difference except that as "uncut", men, we take pride in (I do anyway) our bits and make sure they are as clean as a car in a showroom, sparkly clean. Whereas a cut peen, well, I am sure there are men who take a more relaxed approach and thus get into a false sense of security thinking they are clean when in reality.......

Ignorant statement. Circumcision has nothing to do with Catholicism.

Ok then, enlighten me as to why you think it is important since there is absolutely NO medical evidence to the contrary that states that having a "cut", penis is more beneficial than an uncut one? 

1. Cut more hygienic than uncut, disproved. 
2. Men are happier in their lives uncut, proved.
3. Children carry emotional and physical scars into adulthood if they have been cut, proved.
4. If circumcision needs to be done because of fear of getting a sexual disease, then this is disproved as the overal muslim and jewish populations are expanding and are more likely to die because of poverty and their surroundings.

a light hearted aside.

What do they do with all the foreskins?  What did they do with them back in the day?  Is/was there some mohel somewhere sitting on a mound of foreskin, gloating over it like a dragon on a pile of gold?  

The response is in the link I provided a couple of pages back.

[Whateverist]

Oh man, you're breaking my heart here.  Who would have the heart to take away the little guy's blankey?  That's just mean.


On the other hand, at least some pro circumcision people deserve civility and respect.  Namely those who can disagree civilly over abortion when they feel something like the same regard for unborn babes-to-be as we do toward our wieners.  Looking at you Cath-y.  She doesn't like our sucking unborn kids from wombs and running them through the disposal but she doesn't froth at the mouth and scream incoherent shit at pro-choicers.  Time for uncut wiener advocates to suck it up and show they can comport themselves as well as she does.

[RobertE]

Ignorant statement. Circumcision has nothing to do with Catholicism.

Sure it doesn't.

I mean, it's not like catholics saw masturbation as filthy- just as imam who-gives-a-fuck sees a clit as filthy, it's not like they believe in a magic book that tells them to snip their sons.  Who do you think the nutballs that got americans to do this were appealing to?  Why did it catch on?  Medical studies about non-existent health benefits, you reckon....?



That circumcision as we practice it finds both it's genesis and it's support in the abrahamic religious traditions is flatly inarguable, Lady.  Just another thing we have jesus to thank for.

Well, catholics as you known are strict adherents to the biblical text. So, here goes:

9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant,you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

Basically, those who are uncut are not deemed worthy of being part of Gods world. I cannot believe that Abraham was a f'ing lemming. If God told him to jump off a cliff, he would fucking do it I'll tell ya!!!

[Mermaid]

The argument that uncut penises are dirty is baffling to me. Don't all females have to clean their vagina flaps? Is that not the same principle?