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Trump is president; Who is to blame?
RE: Trump is president; Who is to blame?
(9th November 2016, 19:26)Napoléon Wrote: This is the thing. If the regressive left were actually "the bigger person", and didn't resort to the shit slinging themselves, who knows, we might have a different outcome.

While it was widely celebrated on this forum, I would be ashamed to be honest if someone I was voting for was labelling opposing voters as deplorable. I mean, if you respond in kind with that kind of negativity you're not looking to change minds. You're shooting yourself in the foot.

As I said last night to a friend, Clinton tried to be Trump, but too late and not as skilled. Killed her career.

(9th November 2016, 19:37)Rhythm Wrote: The left didn't lose because they used too many mean, if accurate, words...it wasn't a failure of manners and etiquette, or even image.....good god I hope that's not the takeaway from this.......

The problem is, they brought a knife to a gunfight, making nods to etiquette while engaging an opponent who was ruthless.

(9th November 2016, 19:56)Whateverist Wrote:
(9th November 2016, 17:37)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Respectfully disagree. At this point, I think a post-mortem is vital for our country.


Yeah, I agree with Jester.  What's next is more important now.  But this morning I was dealing with shock, disgust and disappointment.  I've moved on.

It's all good. Some of us can disagree without being twatwaffles.

(9th November 2016, 19:58)Rhythm Wrote: I'm hiding out in the woods in conservative country, the last place they'll think to look for me (lol), trying to dream up ways to make local food year round for the cost of raw material and then schlep it full price to filthy capitalist pigdogs and hobbyist progressives...being subversive and shit, why?  Are you making a list.....

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Hug the ground, brotha, hope the recoil kicks the barrels up like it usually does.
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RE: Trump is president; Who is to blame?
(9th November 2016, 10:25)Shell B Wrote: Um, people who voted for Trump.

That and Trump himself.
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RE: Trump is president; Who is to blame?
(9th November 2016, 21:17)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(9th November 2016, 10:25)Shell B Wrote: Um, people who voted for Trump.

That and Trump himself.

Nah. Trump pandered. He's the whore in this scenario.
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RE: Trump is president; Who is to blame?
(9th November 2016, 11:25)operator Wrote: 1. The complete lack of transparency/honesty in modern day politics.

2. Lack of education on political issues

3. People do not trust Hillary Clinton

4. Trump fooled people, especially the working class, into thinking that he's gonna be different

I would also like to add a fifth point.

5. The culture of 'political correctness' that has been running rampant as of late

More specifically the 'social justice warrior' movement. These people have brought political correctness to an extreme. It has come to the point where no one can say ANYTHING without offending someone. This new PC culture is no longer about sticking up for yourself (or others) against TRUE racism or TRUE misogyny (which are things NO ONE should have to tolerate), it's about attacking those who disagree with you and slapping meaningless labels on them to win favor for your own arguments or your own agenda. Granted many ACTUAL racists and other types of despicable people have spoken out against SJWs, but that doesn't make these 'warriors' any more justified in their misguided acts of verbal vigilantism.

In my opinion this is another big factor in what allowed someone like Trump to win.
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RE: Trump is president; Who is to blame?
(9th November 2016, 17:27)Excited Penguin Wrote: Because your actions matter. Your expressing that wish for no other reason than to entertain the ever-growing and self-sustaining to an extent circle jerk that formed around that issue is counterproductive on all counts. Let's entertain the idea that Drich is wrong and not a troll(I remain neutral for the purpose of making this point, this is to be regarded as purely hypothetical). 

What does your treating him as you do accomplish ? 

What would a more positive attitude bring to the table?

Why don't you try and find out ?

Oh, stick your sanctimony up your ass. You're just making stupid, unfounded assumptions about my history with him. I can see, however, how it would be hard to really know what's actually going on all the way up there from your high horse.

You can only stay positive with someone who insists on shitting on the floor right in front of you no matter what you say before you just decide, "fuck it, I'm tired of this."

Now, why don't you go back to jerking yourself off and stick to topics you might actually be informed about.
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RE: Trump is president; Who is to blame?
Blame ?

If the election was really important the Dems would have run a better candidate.
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RE: Trump is president; Who is to blame?
(9th November 2016, 18:42)Napoléon Wrote: Just saw this post on reddit that got gilded 4 times. Thought it might be worth sharing:

Quote:I've been ranting on my Facebook feed to all my liberal friends who have been raging at this result, and who have been ostracizing anyone who even remotely supported Trump.
It's shit like this that helped allow Trump to be president. Grown-ass adults on both sides can't have political discussions without turning into argumentative children, and the rhetoric on both sides got to such a level that there was no possibility for connection. Everyone wants their precious comfort zone where they're only surrounded by people who agree with them, and those who don't are vilified. Because of this there's no exchange of ideas. There's no mutual respect. Division leads to ignorance, which leads to hate, which leads to Trump.
52 million people can't all be racist, sexist, straight white men. There's a segment of that electorate that voted against Hillary more than voted for Trump, there's a segment that begrudgingly voted for Trump because they simply wanted their jobs back, there were segments that could have been reasoned with, and possibly turned, if Hillary supporters didn't ostracize them the moment they found out they were voting for Trump. This "us" vs "them" shit needs to stop. I know the reasons for his rise is actually a more complex image than this rant is painting, but this was a big factor, and will continue to be a big factor if we don't grow the fuck up.
It's an unpopular opinion in my LA-based feed, but Trump's existence is everyone's fault. Politics and religion should not be taboo subjects. We're adults, and we should act like adults. Discuss, respect, change minds when new information is presented, or agree to disagree. Otherwise the extremists on both sides win, and people like Trump can be president.
EDIT: For the record I voted for Hillary and I consider myself left-of-center politically. The point of this post was not to take one side or the other on this issue, but to point out there's an issue in the first place.


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To be fair, it is kind of hard to drop the us vs. them mentality when we just elected someone who made that the base of their platform.

Honestly though, I think liberals should be more angry with the Democratic Party than Trump and his supporters. The Repubs gave them an open-court lay-up, and they bricked it.
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RE: Trump is president; Who is to blame?
(10th November 2016, 11:00)Faith No More Wrote: Honestly though, I think liberals should be more angry with the Democratic Party than Trump and his supporters.  The Repubs gave them an open-court lay-up, and they bricked it.

Yes, this! In the past 16 years, the Democrats figured out how to lose to W. twice and now Trump. And if Bush hadn't been such a fuck up, 2008 would have been up for grabs, as well. Hell, even Bill Clinton had to tack rightward to get anything done.

Liberals have serious problems at the national and state levels throughout the country (a handful of states excepted) and blaming others for their failure to connect with significant portions of the electorate won't help them a bit.





 
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RE: Trump is president; Who is to blame?
I blame angry, white, racist people who are sick and tired of having to watch what they say for fear that someone will call them racist.  They see a guy on the TV who is able to say the blatantly racist things and if anyone calls him racist he attacks THEM and they'll drink whatever flavor of Kool-Aid he offers.
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RE: Trump is president; Who is to blame?
(10th November 2016, 11:09)Crossless1 Wrote: Yes, this! In the past 16 years, the Democrats figured out how to lose to W. twice and now Trump. And if Bush hadn't been such a fuck up, 2008 would have been up for grabs, as well. Hell, even Bill Clinton had to tack rightward to get anything done.

We discussed Shrub winning his second term back on Fearbush. The general consensus was that people didn't want change in times of war. Far as I remember Kerry wasn't running on the end the wars ticket which might have been more popular, given that America already lost about 3000 soldiers at that point in time.

Obama in a certain way also ran on the anti establishment ticket in 2008. On a more intellectual level than Trump, but at that time the Repubs presented a candidate being purely establishment with his running mate being a lose cannon and a wild card.

Now the democrats seem to have made the same mistake. I think I said it repeatedly when the polls about Clinton's lead made headlines. Don't underestimate the fact that many moderates and real liberals can't be arsed to vote at all, given the choice they are presented with. Trump on the other hand managed to mobilize his base just fine, which is almost always the case with creatures like that, since their followers feel to be on a mission instead of just fending off a bigger evil. I believe I said that also during the last couple of weeks. That this may just be the key to a largely unexpected Trump victory.
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