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Genders?
#11
RE: Genders?
(November 13, 2016 at 2:40 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Got a particular species in mind?

I'm a bit confused as to why you think gender and/or gender dysphoria has anything to do with " leftist or feminist or "progressive", regressive, liberal, authoritarian, socialist etc". 

Just I can't find any who aren't diagnosed with gender dyspohria and have don't have them.
Correlation is not causation.
It's just I can't find any non-(what I saids) with gender dysphoria for anything besides male or female.

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#12
RE: Genders?
(November 13, 2016 at 2:42 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:
(November 13, 2016 at 2:40 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Got a particular species in mind?

I'm a bit confused as to why you think gender and/or gender dysphoria has anything to do with " leftist or feminist or "progressive", regressive, liberal, authoritarian, socialist etc". 

Just I can't find any who aren't diagnosed with gender dyspohria and have don't have them.
Correlation is not causation.
It's just I can't find any non-(what I saids) with gender dysphoria for anything besides male or female.

Maybe I'm a little slow today but, don't have what?

Is your definition of male and female XY and XX?
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#13
RE: Genders?
(November 13, 2016 at 2:49 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(November 13, 2016 at 2:42 pm)ScienceAf Wrote: Just I can't find any who aren't diagnosed with gender dyspohria and have don't have them.
Correlation is not causation.
It's just I can't find any non-(what I saids) with gender dysphoria for anything besides male or female.

Maybe I'm a little slow today but, don't have what?

Is your definition of male and female XY and XX?

My definition of the male and female sexes are XY and XX
I so far don't have a definition for the genders, that's why I'm asking.

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#14
RE: Genders?
(November 13, 2016 at 2:56 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:
(November 13, 2016 at 2:49 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Maybe I'm a little slow today but, don't have what?

Is your definition of male and female XY and XX?

My definition of the male and female sexes are XY and XX
I so far don't have a definition for the genders, that's why I'm asking.

Gender identification is not necessarily tied to chromosomes. 

What sex is an XXX, XXY, XYY?
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#15
RE: Genders?
Oh dear god please no
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#16
RE: Genders?
All there is is gender identity. You don't need to have the appropriate tools to subscribe to a certain gender. There's people being born into the wrong body. Every other perception is rightly considered entirely backwards in this day and age.
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#17
RE: Genders?
(November 13, 2016 at 3:13 pm)Vic Wrote: Oh dear god please no

Are you okay?
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#18
RE: Genders?
(November 13, 2016 at 3:11 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(November 13, 2016 at 2:56 pm)ScienceAf Wrote: My definition of the male and female sexes are XY and XX
I so far don't have a definition for the genders, that's why I'm asking.

Gender identification is not necessarily tied to chromosomes. 

What sex is an XXX, XXY, XYY?

Triple X syndrome, also known as trisomy X and 47 XXX, is characterized by the presence of an extra X chromosomein each cell of a female.

Klinefelter syndrome (KS) also known as 47,XXY or XXY, is the set of symptoms that result from two or more X chromosomes in males.[1] The primary feature is sterility.[1]

XYY syndrome is a genetic condition in which a human male has an extra male (Y) chromosome

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#19
RE: Genders?
(November 13, 2016 at 3:11 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(November 13, 2016 at 2:56 pm)ScienceAf Wrote: My definition of the male and female sexes are XY and XX
I so far don't have a definition for the genders, that's why I'm asking.

Gender identification is not necessarily tied to chromosomes. 

What sex is an XXX, XXY, XYY?

Very sex?
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#20
RE: Genders?
(November 13, 2016 at 3:15 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(November 13, 2016 at 3:13 pm)Vic Wrote: Oh dear god please no

Are you okay?

No.

Gender is, in ~99.7% defined by the person's sex. Which is defined by chromosomes. And sex chromosome trisomy and birth defects relating to the genitals are just that - birth defects. Not separate sexes. And they are incredibly rare. And in the case of their presence medical professionals still determine the sex of the newborn which does adhere to the 'gender binary' and the person goes on to live a normal life.

Gender is not the same as sex. But it is based on sex. Gender is the experienced sex, which can differ from biological sex, which manifests itself in gender dysphoria, aka transgendrism. But it is NOT socially constructed. Otherwise gender dysphoria would not exist.

Gender roles are certainly in part socially constructed. Like what colors boys and girls should like and what type of clothing they should wear. But some differences between genders are biological. There are physical differences between the brains of men and women and behavioral differences between genders that are the result of evolution.

That being said, I have no issue with anybody identifying as whatever they like. I don't care. Go for it. But that doesn't make it anything other than just your personal identifier. People who make up new gender identities mostly just rebel against gender roles. And I think that's fine.

The problem I have is when people like that - agender, bigender, genderqueer - claim to speak for actual transgenders just because they like the label. That just shits all over people who have an actual medical condition.

And forgot to add: in my experience at least it would appear that most people do not actively and strongly identify as their gender. Most just seem to go on about their lives without paying it much special attention. So I'd think it's a pretty common experience to not identify strongly with your gender as that seems to be the case for most people who aren't transgender.

Here is a video by a transwoman on the topic:

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