#Pizzagate

[Aroura]

My understanding of the case is that the story was invented from whole cloth FIRST, and THEN some people used the emails and "found" a code in them to justify the invented story.
So this is one of those 100% fake news stories that gained a life of it's own, because some people are really this gullible.
Kakistocracy, here we come!

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You know a lot of cities have unused underground tunnels.  Some of them have even been used for nefarious puropses in the past (Such as press gangs in Astoria).  Just because the tunnels exist doesn't make the rest of the story true.

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Ok, I took a deep breath and looked at these pictures.
I see nothing wrong.  A few people trying REALLY hard to strecth (the yellow beads, really?  My kid makes beaded necklaces and gives them to me.  Does not make either of us pedo's, jeezus dude.).
The one where he's covered in blood in panties is explained right on it, it was Halloween.

The rest seem pretty normal stuff.  People seeing sick things in this are the sick ones.

I don't care about the beeds.

Why don't you try to justify jimmy comet calling a baby a #hotard? "#Hotard"
http://www.urbandictionary.com/tags.php?tag=hotard

Try to justify him calling a man holding a baby a #chicken lover...
Chicken lover:
"Paedophile one with a sexual attraction, and need for young boys, under the age of consent."

http://odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&d=8&t=2819

Try to justify the man holding sleepovers at a buisness with more children than adults it seems.

Try to justify the same guy from earlyer with the tags #whydoesdaddylikebutt & #youllfindoutwhenyourolder

The drag queen guy was inside the pizza place, you can see the ping pong table in the back. Was he there at night after buisness hours? During the day? This is not normal even for holoween don't be rediculous

Why is this guy "werkinonmahnightcheese" repetedly commenting #killroom and say he owns a kill room amd posts pictures of coffins that he hand crafts the size of children...

He might also just like chicken, and not be aware of the sick term, like I wasn't.
Wow, sleepovers with kids at a pizza parlor that caters to kids?? How CREEPY! Not.
I have participated in sleepovers, half a dozen at least, where there were way more kids than adults. This is normal, not creepy. Wtf is wrong with you to think this is wrong?
I've never understood the daddy terms in sex, yet it exists outside of pedophiles for a pretty large group of normal adults.
You think after hours business dress up on Halloween makes no sense? When do most people celebrate Halloween? Oh, at NIGHT? Wtf, again this is not even unusual.
I have no explanation for the kill room coffin maker. That being said, it does not mean we should jump to the conclusion that its for dead molested kids.
I have a cousin, a sweet guy, who sleeps in a coffin, makes them for sale for others, including small ones for end tables and such, and has the implanted vampire teeth. Hes a skilled carver and cabinetmaker.
He's been married to the same woman for over 20 years, and is a hardworking, good man. He just likes this alternate vampire life. There is zero harm in this kind of roleplay, and no links to people who do it being pedos or murderers in any larger proportion than the general population. It reminds me of the Christian hysteria in the 80s over "satanic ritual murders" related to DnD players and emotional and goth kids, also turned out to be total BS.

I say again, the people who see sickness where there is none are the ones with the problem. This story is 100% faked, made up by trolls to screw with people, and you are letting it. Go look at the debunking yourself, if you have the guts to question what you already accept as fact.

[Soldat Du Christ]

"He might also just like chicken, and not be aware of the sick term, like I wasn't."

Radical skepticism, and what about #hotard? A coincidence as well?

" Wow, sleepovers with kids at a pizza parlor that caters to kids?? How CREEPY! Not.
I have participated in sleepovers, half a dozen at least, where there were way more kids than adults. This is normal, not creepy. Wtf is wrong with you to think this is wrong?"

Sleepovers after buisness hours in a resturaunt it not Fing normal

" I've never understood the daddy terms in sex, yet it exists outside of pedophiles for a pretty large group of normal adults. "

If it wasn't for the chicken lovers picture i might think nothing of it, it's the same guy.

"You think after hours business dress up on Halloween makes no sense? When do most people celebrate Halloween? Oh, at NIGHT? "

Not in a resturaunt after hours when it's closed.

"Wtf, again this is not even unusual.
I have no explanation for the kill room coffin maker. That being said, it does not mean we should jump to the conclusion that its for dead molested kids."

He likes and comments many of jimmy comets pictures. Look at the picture of the meat bunker... #killroom, "just wash it off when you're done", jimmy comet: #murder.

" I have a cousin, a sweet guy, who sleeps in a coffin, makes them for sale for others, including small ones for end tables and such, and has the implanted vampire teeth. Hes a skilled carver and cabinetmaker.
He's been married to the same woman for over 20 years, and is a hardworking, good man. He just likes this alternate vampire life. There is zero harm in this kind of roleplay, and no links to people who do it being pedos or murderers in any larger proportion than the general population."

That's fine, but that isn't the same context as the material i am presenting to you. Too many things add up and point to an unsettling conclution.

Now try again to justify all of this nonsense

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So this guy takes his gun to this pizza place that's supposed to have a pedophile ring in the basement to 'self-investigate', shoots up the place a bit, and it didn't even have a basement.

Why are you taking this seriously? Investigate the case? There's not even evidence that there is a case to investigate.

What skeptics are trained to do (hopefully) is to evaluate claims rationally in light of the available evidence and assign degree of acceptance in proportion to plausibility. In this case, the odds that internet 'detectives' looking for confirmation of their worst prejudices found codes where there are none is very high, and the odds that they are right merely by coincidence (since their methodology is the opposite of how you reach a justified conclusion) is very low. Plus, they've already been proven wrong about an essential aspect of the story: the basement where it was supposed to be happening doesn't even exist. It was completely made up.

In science, every link in a chain of argument must be intact for the conclusion to be looked at as confirmed/viable.

In religion, OTOH, breaking a single link in a chain of argument has no effect, like Jesus' followers having to keep the law to enter the Kingdom according to Matthew, but absolutely not having to keep the law according to Paul would completely disprove all  versions of Christianity relying on Matthew and Paul as sacred dogma if religion was played by 'science rules'.

That there are not tunnels with children and giraffes in them beneath Comet Ping Pong does not, in the eyes  of conspiracy folks who play by religious rules of evidence instead of science rules, is not conclusive proof to them that there is no pedo ring being run by Podesta and Hillary (how does Anthony Weiner get a pass on this, BTW?).  And then we have some seemingly confirming facts, such as Trump being involved by his association with the billionaire pedo guy with the business jet, which is in fact true, and we're looking at a clusterfuck that is going to have some legs now.  And then having Bill, instead of Hillary, flying on the pedo-jet too, although apparently not at the same time as Trump, over 2 dozen times, well, to these conspiracy folks, there is some 'there' there.

That it circles back to Trump is pretty funny, BTW, and looking over his reported peeping at the teen pageant and a taste in mistresses and wives that trends to the younger side of the demographics, it's real easy to see where this mess could bite Trump on the ass in regards to the pedo thing.

Empericism only is a rediculous method of truth seeking. You can't even begin to aproach historical truths, let alone 10 seconds prior to the present time.

[The Grand Nudger]

Really?  Seems like empiricism is pretty damned good at history, and the past 10 seconds aren't exactly an impenetrable span of time.....

I suppose you have some other method, less ridiculous, for "truth seeking"? I'd love to hear what that might be, because I have a creeping suspicion that it's going to be empiricism, and that you just didn't know what empiricism was.

[Aroura]

None of that adds up, you have to twist and force your round peg into this square hole.
I can see you already have your mind made up, despite mountains of evidence that this whole thing was a hoax.then again, thousands of people still believe the big foot video and loch Ness pictures, even after the perpetrators admitted those were hoaxes as well.

I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. It exists, therfore anything I say about it must be true, right? I even have a for sale sign with my name on it. If I show you a picture with my sign on the bridge, will you send me money?

[Soldat Du Christ]

None of that adds up, you have to twist and force your round peg into this square hole.
I can see you already have your mind made up, despite mountains of evidence that this whole thing was a hoax.then again, thousands of people still believe the big foot video and loch Ness pictures, even after the perpetrators admitted those were hoaxes as well.

I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. It exists, therfore anything I say about it must be true, right? I even have a for sale sign with my name on it. If I show you a picture with my sign on the bridge, will you send me money?

So you've been reduced to slanders then? Well you had a good run. I appreciate you trying. Just understand before you go back to your blissful ignorance that was just scratching the surface.

@rhythm it's called rationalism

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh, and where do you propose to source your sound propositions from, exactly? You know, those things required to be plugged into valid arguments so as to confer some measure of reliability that the conclusions are, themselves true? Where did rationalism come from, how do we know it's a useful tool for assessing truth in the first place, how did we arrive at such a determination?

[SteelCurtain]

...he says, screaming into the empty void that is the OP.

[rexbeccarox]

Holy hell.

[Soldat Du Christ]

Oh, and where do you propose to source your sound propositions from, exactly? You know, those things required to be plugged into valid arguments so as to confer some measure of reliability that the conclusions are, themselves true? Where did rationalism come from, how do we know it's a useful tool for assessing truth in the first place, how did we arrive at such a determination?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism

[Pat Mustard]

None of that adds up, you have to twist and force your round peg into this square hole.
I can see you already have your mind made up, despite mountains of evidence that this whole thing was a hoax.then again, thousands of people still believe the big foot video and loch Ness pictures, even after the perpetrators admitted those were hoaxes as well.

I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. It exists, therfore anything I say about it must be true, right? I even have a for sale sign with my name on it. If I show you a picture with my sign on the bridge, will you send me money?

So you've been reduced to slanders then? Well you had a good run. I appreciate you trying. Just understand before you go back to your blissful ignorance that was just scratching the surface.

@rhythm it's called rationalism

Soldat du bullshit, your nutjobbery has the same relationship to rational thinking as my arse has to rainbows. You believe in something which is an obvious lie and are mad to spread the shit around.

A human being would be ashamed if they were doing what you're doing.