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Carrier stays in US
#51
RE: Carrier stays in US
(December 1, 2016 at 3:56 pm)KUSA Wrote:
(December 1, 2016 at 3:39 pm)Aegon Wrote: Dishonest argument. The problem with this deal is that it established a precedent, one that says, "Hey, the government is willing to bend the knee to corporations to save a few jobs." So Trump can boast about the 800 jobs he saved while thousands more still get outsourced and they get millions in tax cuts. Of course it is a good thing that those people are keeping their jobs, but this is bad long term


So what is your solution?

Are you genuinely curious what a better alternative would be, or are you using that as a way to argue in favor of what Trump did? Because you should know that even if I didn't have an alternative to suggest, it would be fallacious to say that's a good reason to make the deal.

But anyway, Carrier is run by United Technologies, and United has received billions of dollars in defense contracts. I think we should start blocking corporations from getting these federal contracts or other types of grants or loans when they outsource significant parts of their company, and we should tax the outsourced products to death (the second half is something Trump himself has actually gone on record supporting.)
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#52
Carrier stays in US
(December 1, 2016 at 4:09 pm)Aegon Wrote:
(December 1, 2016 at 3:56 pm)KUSA Wrote: So what is your solution?

Are you genuinely curious what a better alternative would be, or are you using that as a way to argue in favor of what Trump did? Because you should know that even if I didn't have an alternative to suggest, it would be fallacious to say that's a good reason to make the deal.

But anyway, Carrier is run by United Technologies, and United has received billions of dollars in defense contracts. I think we should start blocking corporations from getting these federal contracts or other types of grants or loans when they outsource significant parts of their company, and we should tax the outsourced products to death (the second half is something Trump himself has actually gone on record supporting.)


I am genuinely interested in how you would keep companies in the US whether it's Carrier or anything else.
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#53
RE: Carrier stays in US
I am genuinely interested in why you think it's a good idea to keep companies that far down the value chain in the US.
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#54
Carrier stays in US
(December 1, 2016 at 4:20 pm)mihoda Wrote: I am genuinely interested in why you think it's a good idea to keep companies that far down the value chain in the US.


You don't think they have value?
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#55
RE: Carrier stays in US
(December 1, 2016 at 4:09 pm)Aegon Wrote: But anyway, Carrier is run by United Technologies, and United has received billions of dollars in defense contracts. I think we should start blocking corporations from getting these federal contracts or other types of grants or loans when they outsource significant parts of their company,

Which Trump may have threatened.

Quote:and we should tax the outsourced products to death (the second half is something Trump himself has actually gone on record supporting.)

Yep.

Seems like some people are arguing against this just because they knee-jerk argue against anything proposed by a Republican.
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#56
RE: Carrier stays in US
(December 1, 2016 at 4:20 pm)mihoda Wrote: I am genuinely interested in why you think it's a good idea to keep companies that far down the value chain in the US.

I can answer this.  It's because companies provide jobs to people.
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#57
Carrier stays in US
(December 1, 2016 at 7:20 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(December 1, 2016 at 4:20 pm)mihoda Wrote: I am genuinely interested in why you think it's a good idea to keep companies that far down the value chain in the US.

I can answer this.  It's because companies provide jobs to people.


Finally someone with some sense.
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#58
RE: Carrier stays in US
Sounds to me as if the only ones taking it up the ass are the citizens of Indiana.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/indiana-...e-company/


Quote:Indiana agrees to a $7 million tax break to keep Carrier jobs in state: company

Quote:Indiana state officials have agreed to give United Technologies Corp $7 million worth of tax breaks to encourage the company to keep at least 1,069 jobs at its Carrier unit in Indianapolis, Carrier and the state said on Thursday.

Well, fuck them.  They voted for those two pieces of shit.  Let them subsidize a rich corporation like the rest of the republicunt bastards want.
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#59
RE: Carrier stays in US
(November 30, 2016 at 10:17 am)Brian37 Wrote: In return because she is elderly I take care of her at her nursing home. Go there on average 6 days a week. I spend time helping her feed herself, put her cloths away, play games with her, take her out when she wants to. Things she would pay far more with a professional if she paid them to do the same.

Thats really nice of you to take care of your mom.
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-walsh
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#60
RE: Carrier stays in US
Use my hard earned tax dollars to feed a single mother and child, how dare You!
Use my hard earned tax dollars to subsidize or bribe a corporation who is stull outzourcing over a thousand jobs, into keeping a handful of jobs, instead of forcing them to pay a living wage and taxing the fuck out of them more if they export jobs, here quick, take my money!

Punishing them for exporting jobs is better. I hope Trump keeps that portion of his plan. I guess we'll see.

P.s. you are all wrong, Republicans love wealth redistribution. Take it from the working man and give it to the rich guy, in the hopes he might toss a few pennies at some other working man someday.
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