4 Arrested In FB Video Torturing Of A Mentally Challenged Man

[Redoubtable]

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/hate...spartanntp

What do we think of this

Good fucking news.

The article doesn't say what hate crime they are being charge with though. Hate against the disabled or hate against white people?  If it's the former, it's like a cop-out because we saw language of racial hatred used and not language indicating hate for people of a certain disability.

[account_inactive]

Bella, as a trolling shitposter cannot fathom how others don't act exactly as she does.

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[Napoléon]

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[brewer]

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/hate...spartanntp

What do we think of this

Which part?

[Tiberius]

The article doesn't say what hate crime they are being charge with though. Hate against the disabled or hate against white people?  If it's the former, it's like a cop-out because we saw language of racial hatred used and not language indicating hate for people of a certain disability.

It's not much of a cop-out. You don't have to use words for something to be charged as a hate crime. Honestly, though they were yelling "fuck white people" rather than "fuck disabled people", maybe prosecutors think it would be easier to convince a jury of their peers on the ableist hate crime more than the racial hate crime.

I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, but the US justice system is unfortunately built that way.

[John V]

All I see are a bunch of hard right wingnuts stretching a tragedy to try and make it seem like their arch enemies–the hard left wingnuts–are evil torture supporters.

The left put this into play by saying that all Trump supporters are racist because the KKK endorsed Trump.

[paulpablo]

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[Shell B]

Anyone can do it, but you're acting as if race is the entirety of the crime, and thus anyone who ignores the race aspect or downplays is it is excusing these people of their crimes.

Not at all Shell. Personally I'd be happy that the media reported it as if race was any single part of the crime. Ignoring the race aspect isn't excusing, I'm not sure where anyone said that. It is a double standard though because if it were the other way round, race would be the main focus. Do you think otherwise?

If you want to be clear, what I personally get riled about is the double standard in how it's 1. reported on and 2. talked about.

1. applies to the media, 2. applies to this forum.

1. influences 2. to some degree, no?

But that's not the discussion we're having. A very simple statement about being surprised that no one has defended the criminals here was made. I'm trying to figure out why anyone would expect that. The response I got was that the media isn't reporting it as a hate crime. I guess, therefore, people here will excuse the criminals? Now, I'm sure you can find the definition of defend. It most definitely is not "downplays a part of a person's actions while still condemning said person."

Where is the double standard here on how it's talked about? You feign surprise that it isn't defended here, but have shown no reason to believe it would be otherwise. No one here has advocated reverse racism that I've seen. I certainly haven't seen anyone advocate for hate crimes against whites, either. This is a made up problem. It's completely fabricated. If you have so much disdain for the media, why are you employing their tactics?

[Tiberius]

All I see are a bunch of hard right wingnuts stretching a tragedy to try and make it seem like their arch enemies–the hard left wingnuts–are evil torture supporters.

The left put this into play by saying that all Trump supporters are racist because the KKK endorsed Trump.

Ok, let's not exaggerate things. "The left" didn't do that, some people on the left did. By accusing the entire left of making that sort of argument, how are you any different from that which you are accusing?

Besides, even if the entire left did put something like that into play, why does that mean it's OK for the right to do the same thing? I thought the whole concept of "two wrongs don't make a right" was understood by most people.

The correct response to your opponent making a bad argument is to say "that's a bad argument, I'm not going to make those", not say "well I guess that means I can make bad arguments too!"

[Shell B]

All I see are a bunch of hard right wingnuts stretching a tragedy to try and make it seem like their arch enemies–the hard left wingnuts–are evil torture supporters.

The left put this into play by saying that all Trump supporters are racist because the KKK endorsed Trump.

Ah, the old "they started it" spiel. Can you make an argument on your own or do you always just point to the other guy as if that's a reasoned reply?