Atrocities in the Bible

[Harry Nevis]

Yeah, let's not go through weeks of argument rehashing the same shit, as much as you'd rather do that.

You're afraid of the truth, this will be my last response to you unless you want to see what the verse says.

GC

Afraid of the truth?!  When you start shoveling something close to truth, we may feel afraid.  Hell, that could signal the End Times.

[Mister Agenda]

The request wasn't for you, they have always been stubborn to the point of ridiculousness so I thought I might take a turn at it.

GC

So you're a two wrongs make a right kinda guy? That's fairly plausible, but I think you really can't come up with an interpretation of that passage that leaves the Author looking good or wise.

[The Grand Nudger]

No, l've read them several times and studied to find the answer.

uh-huh.....

Okay then how can this be a bitter herb drink as everyone was saying when it contained only the dirt from the floor and holy water.

Your bible tells us that this is bitter water, that enters the womans body, and causes her to miscarry.  Whether the abortifacient is made of dirt or herbs is irrelevant to whats got your panties in a twist.  It's an issue of your own credulity, as I already commented upon.

Magic book says:

He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 

If this is an abortion drink then many babies would be aborted from the mother drinking muddy water in third world countries.

Indeed, which...to a half sane reader, would imply that the recipe was a trade secret and not honestly communicated in the bible (uh-oh.....).  Again, your bible tells us that this is what happens.  Pontificate all you want as to how ridiculous that sounds....but you're arguing with the word of god, not us.  

Magic book says:

If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

So what happened to the grain offering, two things. Read carefully.

Payment for services rendered.  I'm not as gullible as you are.  

GC, it doesn't matter what the abortifacient is made of, or what the shaman does with the grain brought to him, or how stupid this all sounds to you.  Maybe you should really spend some time considering the last bit though.  The word of god describes a non-consenting abortive  and sterilizing procedure as a means of testing your wife's fidelity.  A more definitive and terrible endorsement of abortion is difficult to imagine.  Why do this?  Because you can't feed the child?  No.  Because she doesn't want to have the child?  No.  Because hubby is suspicious.  The atrocity, in this case...as much as you fail to see it due to your commitment to pretending that an abortion is not occurring despite every jot and tittle of the narrative explicitly describing one...is the reason and circumstance -of- the abortion and subsequent sterilization.  A woman is taken to a "holy" man, a servant of god....she is forced to undergo this procedure...and however it turns out, her feckless husband is made free of any blame for the misery his jealousy has wrought.  If it worked....and magic book assures us that it does, he has killed a child.  His child, some other schmucks child, no matter.  It;s his bitch of a wifes fault either way.  If it works, and magic book assures us that it does, he has sterilized his wife.  No matter.....OT, he can always buy another.  All of this can be purchased for a few handfuls of grain.  How precious and valuable a wife must have felt.

Wheedle around it all you like, it won't change what's in the good book, now will it?

[Mister Agenda]

And FFS, it was a bitter herb drink, it had bitter herbs in it, and the woman was supposed to drink it.

I would have become an atheist much sooner if I had been exposed to GC desperately dancing around this verse when I first started to doubt. It took 15 years for me to get from tongue-speaking Pentecostal to professed nonbeliever; GC could have saved me a lot of time, looking like such a blatant BS artist for Jesus. Can we pin this somewhere as a challenge to new Christians to see if any of them can do better than this?

[Nihilist Virus]

And FFS, it was a bitter herb drink, it had bitter herbs in it, and the woman was supposed to drink it.

I would have become an atheist much sooner if I had been exposed to GC desperately dancing around this verse when I first started to doubt. It took 15 years for me to get from tongue-speaking Pentecostal to professed nonbeliever; GC could have saved me a lot of time, looking like such a blatant BS artist for Jesus. Can we pin this somewhere as a challenge to new Christians to see if any of them can do better than this?

Some don't dance. Huggy, for example, refused to read anything other than the KJV and then just said, oh look her "thigh rots" that's not an abortion end of story.

Aron Ra explains this quite well, he says that Talmudic legend holds that the fetus is just "water" for the first few weeks, and after that it is like an appendage of the mother (often referred to as a thigh). It is not until the baby is born and takes its first breath that it is considered alive because they thought that the breath of life was life itself, or spirit, or whatever, and when you weren't breathing you had no spirit.

But as I've said, this type of abortion still denies the woman choice so Christians should be ok with it.

[Minimalist]

The NIV actually uses the word "miscarries."

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=NIV

22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

Of course, no matter how you slice it you still have a bunch of primitive, ignorant, fucks who believe in curses and shit.  It's the 21st century.  Time to dismiss all holy horseshit and move on to more important things.

[The Grand Nudger]

OFC it does...because, as GC has told us, translations of the bible don't change what's in the bible, they just modernize the language to help us understand....so that we don't have to wonder what proto-elizabethan "thighs to rot" meant...particularly, when every proto-elizabethan already understood the phrase plain as day.  Honestly, I never had any trouble with that one either, no modernized translation required...it's fairly explicit.

I do find it amusing, though, that even the NIV sticks with "she will become a curse" rather than the well attested understanding that this refers to sterilization.  I guess that there are some lines even the christers won't cross in trying to make the "word of god" plain to all.  



Catholics, ofc, to their great (dis?)credit have an easy out. "A sola scriptura".....so, the OT authors got that wrong and god is totally not onboard with what those icky jews were up to in the OT. A southern baptist, however, as a member of the protestant schism....no such luck. We see, though, how committed these bible thumpers are to the bible, in this thread. I have to ask, is there really any difference? None of them -actually- believe the shit that's in magic book...and they'll argue against it directly whenever it suits their own personal fancy. Makes you wonder why they;re so surprised when we, as atheists, don't believe the shit in magic book.

You'd think they understand completely. It ought to be a point of common ground, and yet.......

[Godscreated]

No, l've read them several times and studied to find the answer.

Okay then how can this be a bitter herb drink as everyone was saying when it contained only the dirt from the floor and holy water.
If this is an abortion drink then many babies would be aborted from the mother drinking muddy water in third world countries.
So what happened to the grain offering, two things. Read carefully.

GC

Explain it to us, we are too stupid to get it.

You guys can't take the time to learn? I've read all the other post after this one and everyone is wrong. I'm trying to take you step by step through these verses, the !ess you argue the quicker we'll get through this.

GC

[Harry Nevis]

Explain it to us, we are too stupid to get it.

You guys can't take the time to learn? I've read all the other post after this one and everyone is wrong. I'm trying to take you step by step through these verses, the !ess you argue the quicker we'll get through this.

GC

We're sorry.  Inane rationalizations are new to us.

[TubbyTubby]

You guys can't take the time to learn? I've read all the other post after this one and everyone is wrong. I'm trying to take you step by step through these verses, the !ess you argue the quicker we'll get through this.

GC

Bable Fish has been activated but still no comprendo.
Why not just explain it in simple language.