Narcissistic Personality Disorder

[The Valkyrie]

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder"

But you can just call me "Beccs".



Though I also answer to "Majesty", "Mighty One", "Overlord", and "The Source of all Evil".

[Rev. Rye]

Are the mentally ill allowed to be president?

A 2006 study of the first 37 presidents (using biographical information) revealed that 18 displayed symptoms of mental disorders, 10 during office. I managed to download it and here's the list of those who displayed mental illness during their presidencies:

1. John Adams: Bipolar II [Don't have much info there. Most of what I know comes from 1776, but apparently his family had a history of erratic behaviour, which he had been known to succumb to.]
   
2. Franklin Pierce: Alcohol Abuse; Major Depressive Disorder [Having your last remaining son die in front of your eyes in a train accident just before getting into office will do that to you]
   
3. Abraham Lincoln: Major depressive disorder, recurrent, with psychotic features [Very well-documented, really; Quoth Honest Abe: "I am now the most miserable man living. If what I feel were equally distributed to the whole human family, there would not be one cheerful face on the earth. Whether I shall ever be better I can not tell; I awfully forebode I shall not. To remain as I am is impossible; I must die or be better, it appears to me."]
   
4. Theodore Roosevelt: Bipolar I [Not much of a surprise, really, given his personality; no wonder they got Robin Williams to play him in a movie.]
   
5. William Howard Taft: "Breathing-Related Sleep Disorder" [Not much of a mental disorder, but still in the DSM; it may be the result of being so damn obese.]
   
6. Woodrow Wilson: Anxiety Disorder NOS; Major Depressive Disorder; Personality Change After Stroke [Apart from his stroke, there's controversy whether or not his personality problems were due to an anxiety disorder]
   
7. Calvin Coolidge: Major Depressive Disorder; Hypochondriasis (?) [He was so embattled by grief after his son died he chose not to run again in 1928; his "Silent Cal" reputation may have its roots in a larger disorder, though.]
   
8. Herbert Hoover: Major Depressive Disorder
   
9. Lyndon Baines Johnson: Bipolar I [Once again, knowing that this is the guy who whipped his dick out at little to no provocation, it'd probably be more surprising if he didn't have bipolar disorder; if he wasn't a congressman/Democratic Whip/Senate Democratic Leader/VP/President, he'd have ended up as one of the "naked crazy" stories on [i]What the Fuck is Wrong With You?]
   
10. Richard Nixon: Alcohol Abuse [Not much of a stretch, there.]
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Are the mentally ill allowed to be president?

A 2006 study of the first 37 presidents (using biographical information) revealed that 18 displayed symptoms of mental disorders, 10 during office. I managed to download it and here's the list of those who displayed mental illness during their presidencies:

1. John Adams: Bipolar II [Don't have much info there. Most of what I know comes from 1776, but apparently his family had a history of erratic behaviour, which he had been known to succumb to.]
   
2. Franklin Pierce: Alcohol Abuse; Major Depressive Disorder [Having your last remaining son die in front of your eyes in a train accident just before getting into office will do that to you]
   
3. Abraham Lincoln: Major depressive disorder, recurrent, with psychotic features [Very well-documented, really; Quoth Honest Abe: "I am now the most miserable man living. If what I feel were equally distributed to the whole human family, there would not be one cheerful face on the earth. Whether I shall ever be better I can not tell; I awfully forebode I shall not. To remain as I am is impossible; I must die or be better, it appears to me."]
   
4. Theodore Roosevelt: Bipolar I [Not much of a surprise, really, given his personality; no wonder they got Robin Williams to play him in a movie.]
   
5. William Howard Taft: "Breathing-Related Sleep Disorder" [Not much of a mental disorder, but still in the DSM; it may be the result of being so damn obese.]
   
6. Woodrow Wilson: Anxiety Disorder NOS; Major Depressive Disorder; Personality Change After Stroke [Apart from his stroke, there's controversy whether or not his personality problems were due to an anxiety disorder]
   
7. Calvin Coolidge: Major Depressive Disorder; Hypochondriasis (?) [He was so embattled by grief after his son died he chose not to run again in 1928; his "Silent Cal" reputation may have its roots in a larger disorder, though.]
   
8. Herbert Hoover: Major Depressive Disorder
   
9. Lyndon Baines Johnson: Bipolar I [Once again, knowing that this is the guy who whipped his dick out at little to no provocation, it'd probably be more surprising if he didn't have bipolar disorder; if he wasn't a congressman/Democratic Whip/Senate Democratic Leader/VP/President, he'd have ended up as one of the "naked crazy" stories on What the Fuck is Wrong With You?]
   
10. Richard Nixon: Alcohol Abuse [Not much of a stretch, there.]
    

So, yes, Brokenquill, the mentally ill can be president. It should also be noted that the Presidency is such a stressful job that it tends to age Presidents quite rapidly (like a decade per 4-year term).

[A Theist]

Your side lost the once loyal blue collar working class democrat voters in states that hadn't voted Republican in over thirty years. These were the same voters who elected Barack Obama to two terms in office. What hatreds did they have then when they were loyal democrats? Hillary Clinton didn't step one foot in Wisconsin during her campaign. Your side dismissed those voters in the rust belt and coal coal states. If the left thinks they can continue demonizing and maligning voters as nazis, racists, and bigots and win back the White House, good luck. We'll see eight years of Donald Trump. Continue to delude yourselves.

It's not my side and douchebags switch sides all the time. For example, just because people voted for Dems before that doesn't mean that they couldn't also be conned by a pathological liar who spoke to their fears. You are deluding yourself if you think that a bunch of democrat voters couldn't also be scumbags voting in their own interests(union support for example). 
The issue is not that they were democrats before, it's the shitty candidate they voted for this time.
I actually think the ratio of shitty people who are liberal or conservative is about the same so you're argument that they must have been good people before because they were Democrats is a fail. That's the part that you and liberals share in common.


BTW, no one in this discussion mentioned anything about Nazis, racists or bigots. This is a discussion about Trumps extremely fragile ego and if it could be pathological (which it definitely seems to be) You've not even attempted to explain the current bout of really weird behavior discussed in this thread and instead decided to blindly defend "your side". You should really try and leave your biases behind and really look at Trump without the blinders on.
You shouldn't give him or any politician a free pass.

You read online or heard on TV somewhere that Trump has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. You google educate yourself on NPD and now you're an expert ready to open up your own practice. As Capnawsome pointed out, according to the APA, an actual psychologist has to personally examine a patient before they can conclude a true diagnosis. Unless you're an "actual psychologist" who has "actually examined" Trump as your patient your google analysis is the "actual fail."  I'm wondering if the google psychologists and online "medical experts" who say Trump has NPD personally examined him as a patient. Did you check into that?


When you turn on the television and see protestors holding up signs and calling Trump supporters racists, Nazis, homophobic, sexist,...etc., and we even have a few AF members who are notorious for doing just that in other threads, I just assumed that's where you were going when you said, "It appears to me that his supporters are overlooking a real problem because of their own hatreds that Trump speaks to..."  (bolding, mine). Was my "analysis" of what you were saying incorrect? So that I'm not misunderstanding what you're saying could you be more specific about the hatreds you were referring to?

Could also be that the blue collar working class voters that the dems lost in the once blue states felt they had been conned for over thirty years by pathological liars in the democrat party. You should really try to take your own blinders off. The dems lost their largest voting base and they can't figure out why.

[paulpablo]

Whether you're left wing or right wing, pro trump or anti trump, these are the facts.

This guy (Donald Trump) had every major celebrity in hollywood going against him, people on television full on laughing at the idea of this man being president.
President Obama mocked Trump at a dinner party, I think some of the jokes were even about Donald never being president. then a couple of years later Donald took his job.

I don't know anyone who wouldn't get at least a little ego boost from that.  Someone who can say "I had the president mocking me, George Clooney, all the major pop stars and actors in hollywood making fun of me, took me a couple of years to take the president's job."

What other standard things make a guys ego blow up?  Having a good looking girlfriend, he's got that.  Money, he's got that.  Fancy cars, good job.  I don't know much about his kids but I think he's succeeded in having fairly competant kids, they're a good looking bunch too.

Considering all the factors of his life I'd say he's actually pretty humble.  Some guys go walking around as if they're god if they get a little promotion in work or success with a girl, this guy's got, or at least had model girlfriends and took the president's job.

What's kind of funny is I just saw a clip on TV of Trump bragging about how humble he is. That's usually a joke but the joke appears to be lost on Trump... perhaps because of a personality disorder?

In response to you post, I would have to point out three things.

1) Trump has been behaving this way forever. He was pretending to be his own publicist decades ago and was lavishly bragging about himself in the third person. Pretty weird behavior having nothing to do with silencing his current critics. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...c5ac7de6cb

2) He lied about being a self made man on a million dollar loan. The fact is he took over his fathers company at a young age and received many millions at that point as well as inheriting tens of millions from his father. No one knows exactly how much he received. Trump could clarify all his claims by releasing his tax returns but refuses to do so because the truth would be harmful to his ego. This is what you would expect from someone with NPD.

3) There are many billionaires much wealthier than Trump, who really are self made... and they don't behave in a super narcissistic fashion like Trump. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet come to mind. So being born into a wealthy family is a very bad excuse for Trumps constant over the top bragging about himself and inability to take any kind of criticism.

I don't know much about trumps past but I'll assume all that is true.
But I think I still think it's fairly common for any human being, in particular a male human being, to behave like trump does when they have a lot of money and success in life.

Athletes are renown for this type of behaviour, they earn millions by the age of 21 and a few years after they retire they've lost it all because they forget about taxes and spend money on platinum diamond encrusted watches.

Trump may have a lavish lifestyle I suppose but in comparison to other billionaires or millionaires he isn't that notable.

I have to admit I find all these classifications of mental disorders and addictions to be pretty much bullshit anyway, an American thing where everyone has bi polar depression and a sex addiction.

[Crunchy]

That the APA doesn't want their members to diagnose anyone remotely makes perfect sense to keep themselves and there members as legitimate as possible.

This in no way prevents anyone from looking at Trumps weird behavior and drawing their own conclusions which is all we are doing here. This isn't official you know.

I would bet that folks like the Rusians and Chinese are looking at this and trying to figure out how to take advantage. Does anyone want to remind them how unfair it is to judge someone by what he says and does?
In fact, I would guess that the intelligence services are also ignoring the Goldwater rule and making their own analysis of Trumps strange behaviour without having psychiatrists ask him if his daddy ever hugged him.

Sorry, but this concern over unfairly analyzing Trump based on the strange things he's done and said is irrelevant since it's going to happen anyway. If his team can't rein in the weirdness, the speculation over his clear problems is going to continue.

[Crunchy]

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It's not my side and douchebags switch sides all the time. For example, just because people voted for Dems before that doesn't mean that they couldn't also be conned by a pathological liar who spoke to their fears. You are deluding yourself if you think that a bunch of democrat voters couldn't also be scumbags voting in their own interests(union support for example). 
The issue is not that they were democrats before, it's the shitty candidate they voted for this time.
I actually think the ratio of shitty people who are liberal or conservative is about the same so you're argument that they must have been good people before because they were Democrats is a fail. That's the part that you and liberals share in common.


BTW, no one in this discussion mentioned anything about Nazis, racists or bigots. This is a discussion about Trumps extremely fragile ego and if it could be pathological (which it definitely seems to be) You've not even attempted to explain the current bout of really weird behavior discussed in this thread and instead decided to blindly defend "your side". You should really try and leave your biases behind and really look at Trump without the blinders on.
You shouldn't give him or any politician a free pass.

You read online or heard on TV somewhere that Trump has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. You google educate yourself on NPD and now you're an expert ready to open up your own practice. As Capnawsome pointed out, according to the APA, an actual psychologist has to personally examine a patient before they can conclude a true diagnosis. Unless you're an "actual psychologist" who has "actually examined" Trump as your patient your google analysis is the "actual fail."  I'm wondering if the google psychologists and online "medical experts" who say Trump has NPD personally examined him as a patient. Did you check into that?


When you turn on the television and see protestors holding up signs and calling Trump supporters racists, Nazis, homophobic, sexist,...etc., and we even have a few AF members who are notorious for doing just that in other threads, I just assumed that's where you were going when you said, "It appears to me that his supporters are overlooking a real problem because of their own hatreds that Trump speaks to..."  (bolding, mine). Was my "analysis" of what you were saying incorrect? So that I'm not misunderstanding what you're saying could you be more specific about the hatreds you were referring to?



I was referring your stating that the only reason anyone is criticizing Trumps narcissism is because of hatred. Your wrong about that. It's his extremly narcissistic behavior that is the reason.
In case you didn't notice I was defending Trump supporters in another thread for being harassed by liberals.
When Trump said he could walk down the street and shoot someone and his followers wouldn't care... He was describing you! The truth here is that you are acting 100% partisan and I'm not so yes, you have blinders on and your attempt at hijacking this thread is the evidence.

Instead of discussing the issue at hand or even trying to refute it it, you're acting like a Trump surrogate and pivoting to another issue. Go hijack someone else's thread.

[Mister Agenda]

I am not a psychologist, though I have a BA in it. A diagnosis by a qualified clinical psychologist is needed for an official diagnosis of NPD. That doesn't mean that someone without an official diagnosis doesn't have NPD. They can obviously have NPD without an official diagnosis. I've rarely encountered someone who exemplifies the criteria for an NPD diagnosis more than president Trump. If Jeb Bush were president, he would not be an example of someone who exemplifies NPD, as far as I can tell, he's not suffering from any personality disorder but may be depressed (understandably). GWB doesn't have a personality disorder, but may be suffering early signs of dementia. Bill Clinton clearly has issues (possibly to a criminal degree) regarding the way he relates to women, and may finally be starting to show signs of mental deterioration due to age himself, but I don't know of a mental health diagnosis that really fits him.

Again, IANAP, just an informed layman drawing conclusions from the evidence that is available.

[A Theist]

It's not my side and douchebags switch sides all the time. For example, just because people voted for Dems before that doesn't mean that they couldn't also be conned by a pathological liar who spoke to their fears. You are deluding yourself if you think that a bunch of democrat voters couldn't also be scumbags voting in their own interests(union support for example). 
The issue is not that they were democrats before, it's the shitty candidate they voted for this time.
I actually think the ratio of shitty people who are liberal or conservative is about the same so you're argument that they must have been good people before because they were Democrats is a fail. That's the part that you and liberals share in common.


BTW, no one in this discussion mentioned anything about Nazis, racists or bigots. This is a discussion about Trumps extremely fragile ego and if it could be pathological (which it definitely seems to be) You've not even attempted to explain the current bout of really weird behavior discussed in this thread and instead decided to blindly defend "your side". You should really try and leave your biases behind and really look at Trump without the blinders on.
You shouldn't give him or any politician a free pass.

You read online or heard on TV somewhere that Trump has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. You google educate yourself on NPD and now you're an expert ready to open up your own practice. As Capnawsome pointed out, according to the APA, an actual psychologist has to personally examine a patient before they can conclude a true diagnosis. Unless you're an "actual psychologist" who has "actually examined" Trump as your patient your google analysis is the "actual fail."  I'm wondering if the google psychologists and online "medical experts" who say Trump has NPD personally examined him as a patient. Did you check into that?


When you turn on the television and see protestors holding up signs and calling Trump supporters racists, Nazis, homophobic, sexist,...etc., and we even have a few AF members who are notorious for doing just that in other threads, I just assumed that's where you were going when you said, "It appears to me that his supporters are overlooking a real problem because of their own hatreds that Trump speaks to..."  (bolding, mine). Was my "analysis" of what you were saying incorrect? So that I'm not misunderstanding what you're saying could you be more specific about the hatreds you were referring to?

I was referring your stating that the only reason anyone is criticizing Trumps narcissism is because of hatred. Your wrong about that. It's his extremly narcissistic behavior that is the reason.
In case you didn't notice I was defending Trump supporters in another thread for being harassed by liberals.
When Trump said he could walk down the street and shoot someone and his followers wouldn't care... He was describing you! The truth here is that you are acting 100% partisan and I'm not so yes, you have blinders on and your attempt at hijacking this thread is the evidence.

Instead of discussing the issue at hand or even trying to refute it it, you're acting like a Trump surrogate and pivoting to another issue. Go hijack someone else's thread.

I'm not hijacking your thread, and I am discussing the issue at hand...and yes, I'm refuting your amateur google search analysis. Even a qualified clinical psychologist wouldn't give a diagnosis without having personally examined the patient. Unless you're a qualified psychologist who has actually examined Trump in person as a patient, your Wikipedia diagnosis is flawed.

[Crunchy]

I'm not hijacking your thread, and I am discussing the issue at hand...and yes, I'm refuting your amateur google search analysis. Even a qualified clinical psychologist wouldn't give a diagnosis without having personally examined the patient. Unless you're a qualified psychologist who has actually examined Trump in person as a patient, your Wikipedia diagnosis is flawed.

Sorry for the delay, was out of the country for awhile.

So no.. you are not discussing the issue at hand. You are going full Kellyanne and pivoting and dodging and refusing to acknowledge any of Trumps bizarre behavior now or in the past. You are simply refusing to admit that there is anything wrong with Trump and dismissing any evidence out of hand.

Second, the diagnosis was from the Mayo clinic not Wikipedia. I found it from searching "narcissism" because of Trumps strange behavior. It's not "flawed" to then notice that Trump fits the description to a "T" and post it here while listing examples of said behavior. What is flawed is dismissing things you don't like out of hand just because it challenges your partisanship.  

Having more time to think about it and seeing Trump in action some more, I'm more convinced that Trumps narcissism is not just the ordinary type we think of when we see a braggart but is in fact pathological. His behavior continues to to convince me of this.

[Fireball]

I'm not hijacking your thread, and I am discussing the issue at hand...and yes, I'm refuting your amateur google search analysis. Even a qualified clinical psychologist wouldn't give a diagnosis without having personally examined the patient. Unless you're a qualified psychologist who has actually examined Trump in person as a patient, your Wikipedia diagnosis is flawed.

Sorry for the delay, was out of the country for awhile.

So no.. you are not discussing the issue at hand. You are going full Kellyanne and pivoting and dodging and refusing to acknowledge any of Trumps bizarre behavior now or in the past. You are simply refusing to admit that there is anything wrong with Trump and dismissing any evidence out of hand.

Second, the diagnosis was from the Mayo clinic not Wikipedia. I found it from searching "narcissism" because of Trumps strange behavior. It's not "flawed" to then notice that Trump fits the description to a "T" and post it here while listing examples of said behavior. What is flawed is dismissing things you don't like out of hand just because it challenges your partisanship.  

Having more time to think about it and seeing Trump in action some more, I'm more convinced that Trumps narcissism is not just the ordinary type we think of when we see a braggart but is in fact pathological. His behavior continues to to convince me of this.

The qualifying adjective for Trump's narcissism is malignant.