Would You Boycott a Business Because of the Owner's Political Views?

[Catholic_Lady]

Right, so have they done anything besides what I just mentioned?

Taking an openly anti gay stance or forcing your own religious views down your employee's throats goes beyond donating to christian organisations. In both cases, they openly interfere with the freedoms of individuals. That's not something I would support by giving them money.

But forcing a business owner to pay for something that they have a major moral objection to IS forcing beliefs down their throats. And let's remember to put this into context here. What hobby lobby was objecting to was to pay for only 4 out of about 20 different types of contraception. Their employees have at least a dozen other types of birth control paid for that they can pick from. If it's that much of a problem for someone, then work for a company who's insurance policies better suit your taste. It really doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

[Thumpalumpacus]

But forcing a business owner to pay for something that they have a major moral objection to IS forcing beliefs down their throats. And let's remember to put this into context here. What hobby lobby was objecting to was to pay for only 4 out of about 20 different types of contraception. Their employees have at least a dozen other types of birth control paid for that they can pick from. If it's that much of a problem for someone, then work for a company who's insurance policies better suit your taste. It really doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

No one was asking HL to pay the employee premiums. They being asked to simply offer those options, not pay for them as well. The money is coming from the employee.

[Seraphina]

Taking an openly anti gay stance or forcing your own religious views down your employee's throats goes beyond donating to christian organisations. In both cases, they openly interfere with the freedoms of individuals. That's not something I would support by giving them money.

But forcing a business owner to pay for something that they have a major moral objection to IS forcing beliefs down their throats. And let's remember to put this into context here. What hobby lobby was objecting to was to pay for only 4 out of about 20 different types of contraception. Their employees have at least a dozen other types of birth control paid for that they can pick from. If it's that much of a problem for someone, then work for a company who's insurance policies better suit your taste. It really doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

Supervising what types of medications women can or can't take on "moral objections" while having no moral objections to any meds men take, including Viagra, is discrimination.

[Catholic_Lady]

Lol, you guys would really hate me if I owned a business. I'd be one of the people on the liberal news that you guys would demonize. Because I too wouldn't want to pay for the specific birth control types that most caused abortions. And I too donate money to my local Church. And while I think gay couples should have all the legal benefits/tax exemptions as same sex couples do as far as the state is concerned, as far as the Church itself is concerned, I agree with their decision to only do marriages between one man and one women who are not previously married.

The point is, you guys would think I was a horrible person without even knowing me. Just bc these ppl don't agree with you on certain things doesn't make them the demon.

[Seraphina]

Lol, you guys would really hate me if I owned a business. I'd be one of the people on the liberal news that you guys would demonize. Because I too wouldn't want to pay for the specific birth control types that most caused abortions. And I too donate money to my local Church. And while I think gay couples should have all the legal benefits/tax exemptions as same sex couples do as far as the state is concerned, as far as the Church itself is concerned, I agree with their decision to only do marriages between one man and one women who are not previously married.

The point is, you guys would think I was a horrible person without even knowing me. Just bc these ppl don't agree with you on certain things doesn't make them the demon.

I wouldn't hate you but if you publicly said that you donate your business profits to political causes I don't believe in or pay money to litigate cases I don't agree with, I would take my shopping dollars elsewhere instead of knowingly and indirectly supporting causes I don't believe in.
You're free to believe in what you wish and, likewise, potential customers are free to shop where they please.

Also, C_L, the thread question goes both ways - would you patronize a business that openly and aggressively supports/ donates to causes you don't believe in?

[Catholic_Lady]

Lol, you guys would really hate me if I owned a business. I'd be one of the people on the liberal news that you guys would demonize. Because I too wouldn't want to pay for the specific birth control types that most caused abortions. And I too donate money to my local Church. And while I think gay couples should have all the legal benefits/tax exemptions as same sex couples do as far as the state is concerned, as far as the Church itself is concerned, I agree with their decision to only do marriages between one man and one women who are not previously married.

The point is, you guys would think I was a horrible person without even knowing me. Just bc these ppl don't agree with you on certain things doesn't make them the demon.

I wouldn't hate you but if you publicly said that you donate your business profits to political causes I don't believe in or pay money to litigate cases I don't agree with, I would take my shopping dollars elsewhere instead of knowingly and indirectly supporting causes I don't believe in.
You're free to believe in what you wish and, likewise, potential customers are free to shop where they please.

Also, C_L, the thread question goes both ways - would you patronize a business that openly and aggressively supports/ donates to causes you don't believe in?

I already answered. If I were to boycott businesses who did things I didn't agree with, I'd be boycotting all of them, I'm sure.

Yeah, of course ppl can boycott whatever they want. I was just explaining why I think it's an overreaction to think hobby lobby and chick fil a are that horrible. I think it was gentleman who specifically asked me about those 2.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Lol, you guys would really hate me if I owned a business. I'd be one of the people on the liberal news that you guys would demonize. Because I too wouldn't want to pay for the specific birth control types that most caused abortions. And I too donate money to my local Church. And while I think gay couples should have all the legal benefits/tax exemptions as same sex couples do as far as the state is concerned, as far as the Church itself is concerned, I agree with their decision to only do marriages between one man and one women who are not previously married.

The point is, you guys would think I was a horrible person without even knowing me. Just bc these ppl don't agree with you on certain things doesn't make them the demon.

You prefer poisoning the well rather than addressing my point? No one would be asking YOU to pay your employee's premiums. What harm would accrue to you at all?

You're being disingenuous. Stop.

[Catholic_Lady]

Lol, you guys would really hate me if I owned a business. I'd be one of the people on the liberal news that you guys would demonize. Because I too wouldn't want to pay for the specific birth control types that most caused abortions. And I too donate money to my local Church. And while I think gay couples should have all the legal benefits/tax exemptions as same sex couples do as far as the state is concerned, as far as the Church itself is concerned, I agree with their decision to only do marriages between one man and one women who are not previously married.

The point is, you guys would think I was a horrible person without even knowing me. Just bc these ppl don't agree with you on certain things doesn't make them the demon.

You prefer poisoning the well rather than addressing my point? No one would be asking YOU to pay your employee's premiums. What harm would accrue to you at all?

You're being disingenuous. Stop.

Sorry, I handnt seen it yet. Yes, the employees have the option of paying for the insurance their employer provides, but the employer still has to pay to provide those in the first place. Personally I would not feel comfortable providing something that goes so far against my principles. I think that's fine, if only taken to a reasonable extent like omitting 4 out of 20 birth control options from the plan you're providing.

[abaris]

Sorry, I handnt seen it yet. Yes, the employees have the option of paying for the insurance their employer provides, but the employer still has to pay to provide those in the first place. Personally I would not feel comfortable providing something that goes so far against my principles. I think that's fine, if only taken to a reasonable extent like omitting 4 out of 20 birth control options from the plan you're providing.

That's why most countries have the single payer option and/or obligation. The employer doesn't get picky choosy, they have to pay their share into the particular social security system. The legislation takes care of what is or isn't covered.

[SteelCurtain]

Lol, you guys would really hate me if I owned a business. I'd be one of the people on the liberal news that you guys would demonize. Because I too wouldn't want to pay for the specific birth control types that most caused abortions. And I too donate money to my local Church. And while I think gay couples should have all the legal benefits/tax exemptions as same sex couples do as far as the state is concerned, as far as the Church itself is concerned, I agree with their decision to only do marriages between one man and one women who are not previously married.

The point is, you guys would think I was a horrible person without even knowing me. Just bc these ppl don't agree with you on certain things doesn't make them the demon.

C_L. No one is or ever was asking Hobby Lobby to pay for birth control. They refused to allow their employees to pay for it. The contributions come from the employees paychecks. They were objecting because they didn't want their employees to use their own discretion in which BC methods to use.

The worst part is that their claim was based on thoroughly debunked junk science. The 4 methods in question did not, in fact, cause abortion. They prevented endometrial implantation of the fertilized egg. So a woman who uses those drugs was never pregnant in the first place, which is a pretty important precondition for having an abortion, you know.

Either way, would you agree that it is pretty shitty for a company to try and limit its employees' health options?