What are the Characteristics of a NT Christian?

[FatAndFaithless]

Ridicule's?

[Angrboda]

[Brian37]

HA, theists care, our right wing nutfucks go crazy when you tell them they don't have the right to control the bodies of women. Oh yes they do care when you pick on them. I see plenty of not just Muslims, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists flip out when you pick on their religion.


I would only agree that they should not care as much about ridicule or blasphemy and care more about the bigoted and violent things done in the name of religion. But to say theists don't care, that is absolute bullshit. I think the world would have more peace if we cared more about physical violence and less about getting offended.

[Mister Agenda]

So how is heaven going to be perfect again?

I think that the continuous physical presence of God will be a powerful enough force to overwhelm any desire not to live a holy life (that's the view that I think most persuasive).

So God has a physical presence? As in spiritually omnipresent but physically in a particular location? Kind of like Odin on his magic throne from which he can see all the Nine Realms? Where do you get that from?

And if true, why the need to only have good people in heaven, wouldn't his presence guarantee everyone's goodness regardless of past history? And why wasn't that enough to keep a third of the angels from rebelling? Was God out that day?

It really seems like you're making this stuff up as you go along, inserting whatever occurs to you to answer the objection of the moment, without considering the implications. Talk about raising more questions than you answer....

[Brian37]

I think that the continuous physical presence of God will be a powerful enough force to overwhelm any desire not to live a holy life (that's the view that I think most persuasive).

So God has a physical presence? As in spiritually omnipresent but physically in a particular location? Kind of like Odin on his magic throne from which he can see all the Nine Realms. Where do you get that from?

And if true, why the need to only have good people in heaven, wouldn't his presence guarantee everyone's goodness regardless of past history? And why wasn't that enough to keep a third of the angels from rebelling? Was God out that day?

It really seems like you're making this stuff up as you go along, inserting whatever occurs to you to answer the objection of the moment, without considering the implications. Talk about raising more questions than you answer....

HA HA HA HA HA, that is the biggest load of bullshit Steve has posted. God has a physical presence? Yea and so does my invisible pink unicorn, and the evidence are rainbows. 

Steve should give up on apology and become Houdini because he is really good at imagination and mental gymnastics. At least Houdini knew the crap he was pulling was all a trick.

Physical presence? Yea, which is why God still refuses to prove he is the father on Maury Povich.

[Whateverist]

Actually, I would say the opposite. It is logically impossible for God to make a perfect creation. Creation could only be perfect if it was identical to God. However, creation would be unlike God in that it would be a contingent being. Therefore, creation could not be perfect.

And this is exactly the sort of empty dribble you get when you make assertions about what a thing which you can't even demonstrate exists in the first place can, or can't possibly do.  [emoji849]

So basically you're saying it is logically impossible to draw valid inferences regarding the necessary characteristics of a being whose being can not be demonstrated. I have to agree.

[SteveII]

I think that the continuous physical presence of God will be a powerful enough force to overwhelm any desire not to live a holy life (that's the view that I think most persuasive).

So God has a physical presence? As in spiritually omnipresent but physically in a particular location? Kind of like Odin on his magic throne from which he can see all the Nine Realms? Where do you get that from?

And if true, why the need to only have good people in heaven, wouldn't his presence guarantee everyone's goodness regardless of past history? And why wasn't that enough to keep a third of the angels from rebelling? Was God out that day? 

It really seems like you're making this stuff up as you go along, inserting whatever occurs to you to answer the objection of the moment, without considering the implications. Talk about raising more questions than you answer....

Well, I go by verses like this:

REV 21:1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth,a for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying:

“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. 4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.” 6And He told me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life.

and further down...

22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 

Don't know much about angels, but it seems they were not always in the presence of God (see Job 1). 

See...not making stuff up. Do you really think these questions haven't been discussed for millennium?

[LadyForCamus]

And this is exactly the sort of empty dribble you get when you make assertions about what a thing which you can't even demonstrate exists in the first place can, or can't possibly do.  [emoji849]

So basically you're saying it is logically impossible to draw valid inferences regarding the necessary characteristics of a being whose being can not be demonstrated. I have to agree.

Yeah...they typically don't like it much when we use the phrase:

"Making shit up as you go along." [emoji57]

[emoji57]

[Harry Nevis]

So how is heaven going to be perfect again?

I think that the continuous physical presence of God will be a powerful enough force to overwhelm any desire not to live a holy life (that's the view that I think most persuasive).

Persuasive only if you turn off your brain.

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So God has a physical presence? As in spiritually omnipresent but physically in a particular location? Kind of like Odin on his magic throne from which he can see all the Nine Realms? Where do you get that from?

And if true, why the need to only have good people in heaven, wouldn't his presence guarantee everyone's goodness regardless of past history? And why wasn't that enough to keep a third of the angels from rebelling? Was God out that day? 

It really seems like you're making this stuff up as you go along, inserting whatever occurs to you to answer the objection of the moment, without considering the implications. Talk about raising more questions than you answer....

Well, I go by verses like this:

REV 21:1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth,a for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying:

“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. 4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.” 6And He told me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life.

and further down...

22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 

Don't know much about angels, but it seems they were not always in the presence of God (see Job 1). 

See...not making stuff up. Do you really think these questions haven't been discussed for millennium?

And the only sensible answer has been, "It's fiction".

[Brian37]

So God has a physical presence? As in spiritually omnipresent but physically in a particular location? Kind of like Odin on his magic throne from which he can see all the Nine Realms? Where do you get that from?

And if true, why the need to only have good people in heaven, wouldn't his presence guarantee everyone's goodness regardless of past history? And why wasn't that enough to keep a third of the angels from rebelling? Was God out that day? 

It really seems like you're making this stuff up as you go along, inserting whatever occurs to you to answer the objection of the moment, without considering the implications. Talk about raising more questions than you answer....

Well, I go by verses like this:

REV 21:1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth,a for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying:

“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. 4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.” 6And He told me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life.

and further down...

22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. 

Don't know much about angels, but it seems they were not always in the presence of God (see Job 1). 

See...not making stuff up. Do you really think these questions haven't been discussed for millennium?

I don't know much about Santaurs do you? If you can buy the bullshit of ghostly figures with the giant wings of birds certainly a half man half horse is plausible.  Sentaurs have also been claimed by the ancients too. What makes angles real and Sentaurs not real?

And the Christian concept of men with wings was not the first. Ever read the older polytheist myth of Icarus who built wings using wax to bond bird feathers together, attaching the wings to his arms only to have the wax melt because they flew too close to the sun? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarus

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And Steve like most apologists is all over the map, tries to use science and the "fine tuning" crap in one thread, but in this one admits he doesn't know much about angels. Maybe just maybe, they are as fictional as Sentaurs. Wonder if he is willing to scientifically prove angels exist in a neutral lab, certainly he shouldn't be afraid of science if he is willing to argue the "fine tuning argument"?