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#61
RE: Media
(April 18, 2017 at 8:24 am)Harris Wrote:
(April 16, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Isis Wrote: Oh my, you've called us LGBT people "low life forms" and just provided a Dr. William Pierce video as evidence for this supposed slavery of white women by Jews. You aren't just an anti-Semite - you're totally bonkers as well. Please seek professional help, for your own sake.

I do not feel reluctant in repeating that LGBT PEOPLE ARE WORSE THAN LOW LIFE FORM.

As for the facts exposed by Dr. William Luther Pierce, why do not you challenge them and prove them to be false.

It's your personal choice to be a dirty little Nazi. That needs no refutation, more like a reeducation camp.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#62
RE: Media
(April 16, 2017 at 3:30 pm)bennyboy Wrote: There are all kinds of crudities writ large on bathroom stalls all over the world, but I don't take time to comment on them, either. This isn't because I endorse them, but because they are not really attempting to argue against my views or to impose upon my freedoms.

But that is exactly what you are doing by giving support to every single mockery on Bible and Quran. You are a Talmud apologist who is defending it under the pretext that Jews are not pushing Judaism down to your throat and under this same excuse you are avoiding all sickening facts about Talmud. I have not seen a single comment against disgusting quotes of Talmud. On the contrary, for exposing those horrific facts you are BLAMING me for being an anti-Semite.

(April 16, 2017 at 3:30 pm)bennyboy Wrote: . . . and yet you have oft preferred a particular translation over others, because it sheds your barbaric religion in a better light.

I prefer Yousif Ali’s translation as to me it seems closer to the original Arabic Text and free from intentional mistakes and misinterpretations. Secondly, the language used in this translation is richer and accurate compared to other translations.

Fundamental function of any translation is to give a proper idea about the original text. No matter how good a translation is, it cannot replace the original text. For example, the sense, feelings, and understanding which original Pushkin’s Poetry convey to the reader, no translation can convey the same. If you are the one who pursue for the primary essence then there is no other way than to learn the language in which the original text first appeared.

(April 16, 2017 at 3:30 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Really? You do not speak with the tone of an adoring human being, but rather of one full of hatred and bitterness. If Islam is the religion of adoration, then you are not Muslim at all. I have, in fact, met people of all the Abrahamic religions who are loving and respectful, and those who are corrupt and unkind. Clearly, it is not the religion which determines one's character, but his individual attributes. The reason for this is obvious-- religion doesn't matter, but rather the genetic and learned traits of a person.

Neither me nor any rational person can be adoring to:

a. Arrogant Crooks, Deceivers, Lairs, Scammers, Fraudsters, Tricksters, Perverts, Spies
b. Thieves, Robbers, Smugglers,
c. Slave Traders, Traders of illegal human organs, Illegal weapon Dealers, Drug Dealers
d. Rapists, Sex Traffickers, Adulterer, Homosexuals, Paedophiles, incest committers
e. Hooligans, Mobs, Murderers, target killers
f. And those corporatists and politicians who support, control, and run all above groups

Talmud and its staunch followers support all these groups.

(April 16, 2017 at 3:30 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Superstitious belief IS in compliance with natural order. However, so is a suspicion of those who make promises which they cannot demonstrate the ability to keep.
Show me heaven, show me that it is real and worth a lifetime of dedication, and I will do whatever it takes to achieve it. You cannot. You can only double talk and quote scriptures no more meaningful to me that the collected fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm.
All around me is a system of belief which does real good for me: medicine which keeps me healthy and living (and which is not of Islam), a computer which provides me with nearly limitless entertainment (and which is not of Islam), and an improved understanding of why people act as they do (which is not of Islam, and is in fact contrary to it). I believe you have no current knowledge to offer, and therefore your superstitious proselytizing serves as little more than a target for comments while I sip my morning tea. You'd have as much luck scribbling the Quran on bathroom stalls as attempting to sway anyone here even a smidge from their global contempt for the particular brand of fairy tale called "religion."
1. Today, human knowledge has advanced up to a point where human intellect has no problem in understanding the miracles within the human construct and in the universe around. Today’s living miracle is Quran which is the intellectual miracle if you consider it with care.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-33962.html

2. If you are a slave of your own desires which are by nature vulnerable to self-deception then to deny the truth after it becomes obvious would not be a difficult task for you.
3. When heavens would reveal to your eyes that would be the end of the purpose of your life and consequently of your life too.

(April 16, 2017 at 3:40 pm)Isis Wrote:
(April 16, 2017 at 3:25 pm)Alex K Wrote: Insane or just really a Nazi. Hard to tell, my Nazidar is rusty.

He's anti-Semitic for sure, possibly a bit unstable, but either way I think we can both agree that getting into a serious debate with him is a waste of time.

Serious Debate!
I am still waiting for points of your contention in the verses of Quran that you have thrown in my face to demonstrate Barbaric nature of Islam. I am also keen to receive your views on the status of woman in Talmud and also looking to have your commentary on my main article “Media.”  Up until now you are only singing “Blame Game” nothing more.
 
https://genius.com/Kanye-west-blame-game-lyrics
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#63
RE: Media
(April 18, 2017 at 8:30 am)Harris Wrote:
(April 16, 2017 at 3:30 pm)bennyboy Wrote: There are all kinds of crudities writ large on bathroom stalls all over the world, but I don't take time to comment on them, either. This isn't because I endorse them, but because they are not really attempting to argue against my views or to impose upon my freedoms.

But that is exactly what you are doing by giving support to every single mockery on Bible and Quran. You are a Talmud apologist who is defending it under the pretext that Jews are not pushing Judaism down to your throat and under this same excuse you are avoiding all sickening facts about Talmud. I have not seen a single comment against disgusting quotes of Talmud. On the contrary, for exposing those horrific facts you are BLAMING me for being an anti-Semite.
You are annoying, because you DON'T FUCKING LISTEN.

Nobody is here trying to PROMOTE the Talmud. If they came and quoted scripture saying we should beat our wives or something, we'd drum them out of town so fast you'd see nothing but a spinning dreidel left behind. But there ARE NO JEWS HERE? Get it? There's nothing to argue against but the wind. But, just to go on record, I'm perfectly saying "Fuck the Talmud, and fuck whoever wrote it, and fuck whoever follows its dictates." There, is that too apologetic for you?

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(April 16, 2017 at 3:30 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Really? You do not speak with the tone of an adoring human being, but rather of one full of hatred and bitterness. If Islam is the religion of adoration, then you are not Muslim at all. I have, in fact, met people of all the Abrahamic religions who are loving and respectful, and those who are corrupt and unkind. Clearly, it is not the religion which determines one's character, but his individual attributes. The reason for this is obvious-- religion doesn't matter, but rather the genetic and learned traits of a person.

Neither me nor any rational person can be adoring to:

a. Arrogant Crooks, Deceivers, Lairs, Scammers, Fraudsters, Tricksters, Perverts, Spies
b. Thieves, Robbers, Smugglers,
c. Slave Traders, Traders of illegal human organs, Illegal weapon Dealers, Drug Dealers
d. Rapists, Sex Traffickers, Adulterer, Homosexuals, Paedophiles, incest committers
e. Hooligans, Mobs, Murderers, target killers
f. And those corporatists and politicians who support, control, and run all above groups
You forgot dirty closet Jews like me. And this is obviously what you do. . . you are so full of ignorance and hate that to absolve yourself of the responsibility of acting lovingly and respectfully to all, you simply place everyone who isn't either Harris or an obvious muslim into one of the "don't need adoration" groups and carry on with your Godless ignorance.

Don't ISIS do the same? Don't the Jews, or any of the groups you hate, claim to love but only to love those whom they feel deserve it? Why not love all, and let God sort out the sinners on Judgment Day?

I'll tell you why you don't do that-- because you believe God is too weak to uphold his own justice and judgment. You think He needs you to serve as his eyes, ears and mouth, and to determine who's right or wrong-- who needs to be castigated, who needs to be the object of our hatred.

Your arrogance and ungodliness are mind-numbing. Do you really think God needs you to argue with us? That He needs you to defend his scriptures, or to promote His best translations?

No. Obviously, no faithful believer would consider God so weak and powerless. Either you don't believe Allah is real, or you are so full of arrogance that you think God needs you. But let me propose this-- the only thing God needs people like you to do is to shut the fuck up and stop driving people away from Islam with your obvious ignorance, racism, and hatred. No non-muslim will ever listen to you, which means everyone you ever talk to, if Allah is real, is doomed to turn from Him forever.

Is your arrogance really worth the judgment you will one day receive-- that due to your actions in the world, souls of people were turned AWAY from Allah? Good luck with that-- it's clear to all but you that you also must be among the "don't need adoration" group due to your insistence on hating many of God's creations with prejudice and without fair consideration-- but your lack of adoration will come from Allah Himself. Your reward, if your Allah is real, will not be 72 virgins, but rather 72 pits of fire, as the reward for the hatred and bile you constantly pour into the world.

tl/dr version:

You're a dumb hypocrite, and there is no God, by any definition, which holds any love for hypocrites.
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#64
RE: Media
(April 18, 2017 at 7:13 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(April 18, 2017 at 8:30 am)Harris Wrote: But that is exactly what you are doing by giving support to every single mockery on Bible and Quran. You are a Talmud apologist who is defending it under the pretext that Jews are not pushing Judaism down to your throat and under this same excuse you are avoiding all sickening facts about Talmud. I have not seen a single comment against disgusting quotes of Talmud. On the contrary, for exposing those horrific facts you are BLAMING me for being an anti-Semite.
You are annoying, because you DON'T FUCKING LISTEN.

Nobody is here trying to PROMOTE the Talmud.  If they came and quoted scripture saying we should beat our wives or something, we'd drum them out of town so fast you'd see nothing but a spinning dreidel left behind.  But there ARE NO JEWS HERE?  Get it?  There's nothing to argue against but the wind.  But, just to go on record, I'm perfectly saying "Fuck the Talmud, and fuck whoever wrote it, and fuck whoever follows its dictates."  There, is that too apologetic for you?

Quote:Neither me nor any rational person can be adoring to:

a. Arrogant Crooks, Deceivers, Lairs, Scammers, Fraudsters, Tricksters, Perverts, Spies
b. Thieves, Robbers, Smugglers,
c. Slave Traders, Traders of illegal human organs, Illegal weapon Dealers, Drug Dealers
d. Rapists, Sex Traffickers, Adulterer, Homosexuals, Paedophiles, incest committers
e. Hooligans, Mobs, Murderers, target killers
f. And those corporatists and politicians who support, control, and run all above groups
You forgot dirty closet Jews like me.  And this is obviously what you do. . . you are so full of ignorance and hate that to absolve yourself of the responsibility of acting lovingly and respectfully to all, you simply place everyone who isn't either Harris or an obvious muslim into one of the "don't need adoration" groups and carry on with your Godless ignorance.

Don't ISIS do the same?  Don't the Jews, or any of the groups you hate, claim to love but only to love those whom they feel deserve it?  Why not love all, and let God sort out the sinners on Judgment Day?

I'll tell you why you don't do that-- because you believe God is too weak to uphold his own justice and judgment.  You think He needs you to serve as his eyes, ears and mouth, and to determine who's right or wrong-- who needs to be castigated, who needs to be the object of our hatred.

Your arrogance and ungodliness are mind-numbing.  Do you really think God needs you to argue with us?  That He needs you to defend his scriptures, or to promote His best translations?

No.  Obviously, no faithful believer would consider God so weak and powerless.  Either you don't believe Allah is real, or you are so full of arrogance that you think God needs you.  But let me propose this-- the only thing God needs people like you to do is to shut the fuck up and stop driving people away from Islam with your obvious ignorance, racism, and hatred.  No non-muslim will ever listen to you, which means everyone you ever talk to, if Allah is real, is doomed to turn from Him forever.

Is your arrogance really worth the judgment you will one day receive-- that due to your actions in the world, souls of people were turned AWAY from Allah?  Good luck with that-- it's clear to all but you that you also must be among the "don't need adoration" group due to your insistence on hating many of God's creations with prejudice and without fair consideration-- but your lack of adoration will come from Allah Himself.  Your reward, if your Allah is real, will not be 72 virgins, but rather 72 pits of fire, as the reward for the hatred and bile you constantly pour into the world.

tl/dr version:

You're a dumb hypocrite, and there is no God, by any definition, which holds any love for hypocrites.

What you call “Ignorance, disrespect and Hate” are the facts about Talmud and Jews behind the mask of atheism. These facts you can neither deny nor refute.
 
Mantra of “Fucktard” would not produce any intelligible argument for you.
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#65
RE: Media
(April 20, 2017 at 2:03 am)Harris Wrote: What you call “Ignorance, disrespect and Hate” are the facts about Talmud and Jews behind the mask of atheism. These facts you can neither deny nor refute.
Your ignorance is quite literal-- you are ignoring direct comments. I've said that I'm perfectly fine saying fuck the Talmud, fuck its doctrines, and fuck anyone who follows them. You've repeatedly ignored my comments that the reason we don't criticize the Jews much is that there aren't any of them here making arguments that need to be refuted.

Why do you find it hard to understand that we think your religion-- AND that of the Jews-- is a ridiculous fairy tale? We are atheist because your idea of God is without evidence or reason, and is based in the superstitious ramblings and prejudices of ancient desert dwellers. We feel that science, or even just plain common sense, can do better than your religious doctrines can.

Let's clarify this. Christianity is a stupid fairy tale. Islam is a stupid fairy tale. And. . . since you insist, Judaism is a stupid fairy tale.

See the pattern here? It's not an organized subversion of culture in favor of Jewish puppet masters. It's a belief that religions-- pretty much ALL of them-- are stupid fairy tales.

And you, believing in one of them and wasting your life's energy supporting it, are stupid.
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#66
RE: Media
(April 18, 2017 at 8:24 am)Harris Wrote:
(April 16, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Isis Wrote: Oh my, you've called us LGBT people "low life forms" and just provided a Dr. William Pierce video as evidence for this supposed slavery of white women by Jews. You aren't just an anti-Semite - you're totally bonkers as well. Please seek professional help, for your own sake.

I do not feel reluctant in repeating that LGBT PEOPLE ARE WORSE THAN LOW LIFE FORM.

As for the facts exposed by Dr. William Luther Pierce, why do not you challenge them and prove them to be false.

No, the lowest form of vermin in human form are those who deride a whole community of people.  Who spread lies, misinformation, and propaganda about them.

Who claim they know the "truth", usually with a capital "T", despite the overwhelming evidence against their claims.

And when they do it and belong to a group that claims to have the moral high ground, that makes them an even lower form of scum.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#67
RE: Media
When I was young, I thought gay guys were pretty gross and strange; I might, if I'd ever met a gay man, avoided him or even shouted an insult at him. That's because I lived in a small town with a bunch of factory workers, loggers, and so on, and there was not yet an internet. However, as the internet has evolved, and I've been able to see the real people and their contributions, their vital personalities, and so on, I've come to value them all. Many are right here, and I've come to respect them-- for their uniqueness, and for their similarity to the rest of us.

It is amazing to me that people like Harris, who have access to ALL the information on the internet, could manage not to evolve their opinions in the same way I have-- in part because I'm a stubborn person and naturally very resistant to changing my ideas. How powerful is that particular brand of ignorance which, when presented with almost all the ideas and information that have occurred to mankind in many decades, can still manage to keep itself in the dark.
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#68
RE: Media
(April 20, 2017 at 2:25 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Your ignorance is quite literal-- you are ignoring direct comments. I've said that I'm perfectly fine saying fuck the Talmud, fuck its doctrines, and fuck anyone who follows them.

Thank you for the comment “FUCK THE TALMUD, FUCK ITS DOCTRINES, AND FUCK ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS THEM” which is the first and perhaps the last comment of its nature in atheist forum. This privilege has made me the most honoured member of atheist forum.

(April 20, 2017 at 2:25 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You've repeatedly ignored my comments that the reason we don't criticize the Jews much is that there aren't any of them here making arguments that need to be refuted.

Jews cannot preach the inhuman laws of Talmud against non-Jews to non-Jews. They cannot argue in favour of their Talmud that preaches hate and insanity against non-Jews. By nature, no criminal wants to expose his evil tricks. Their primary interest is to control Gentiles by means of crooked tyranny and Talmud teaches how to achieve that target through deception.

Based on the nature of comments and articles of other members I have no doubt that Jews have structured atheist forum to defame religions and morality. Being the constructors they would never put Judaism in the showcase alongside Christianity and Islam to mock it.

(April 20, 2017 at 2:25 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Why do you find it hard to understand that we think your religion-- AND that of the Jews-- is a ridiculous fairy tale? We are atheist because your idea of God is without evidence or reason, and is based in the superstitious ramblings and prejudices of ancient desert dwellers. We feel that science, or even just plain common sense, can do better than your religious doctrines can.
Let's clarify this. Christianity is a stupid fairy tale. Islam is a stupid fairy tale. And. . . since you insist, Judaism is a stupid fairy tale.
See the pattern here? It's not an organized subversion of culture in favor of Jewish puppet masters. It's a belief that religions-- pretty much ALL of them-- are stupid fairy tales.
And you, believing in one of them and wasting your life's energy supporting it, are stupid.

And why it is difficult to understand that effect cannot occur without a cause. This is the most fundamental and rudimentary principle behind the existence of universe, a temporary home for self-conscious beings such as you and me.

If someone thinks that universe has no cause and no purpose and that universe came into being out of Nothingness and argue against the Prime Cause for being the cause of all causes with the argument of infinite regression and by overruling the fact that infinite regression leads nowhere but back to Nothingness then that is an utter absurd which is insanely against the principles of Logic and Science. To me that is the most deluded self-deceiving person. The purpose of this ridiculously deluded idea is only one and that is to support the subjective hedonistic desires.

Secondly, you have put Science above God. Tell me:

Does science created universe or universe created science? Can there be any Donkey Science without having a live braying donkey?

“Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators?”
Ath-Thuur (52)
-Verse 35-

(April 20, 2017 at 4:21 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: No, the lowest form of vermin in human form are those who deride a whole community of people.  Who spread lies, misinformation, and propaganda about them.

Who claim they know the "truth", usually with a capital "T", despite the overwhelming evidence against their claims.

And when they do it and belong to a group that claims to have the moral high ground, that makes them an even lower form of scum.


This statement can be taken as a good description of Jews who have disdainfully defamed 99.80% humans of the world.

“Only Jews are human. [Gentiles] are animals.”
Talmud (1935) Soncino Edition (Baba Mezia 114a-114b.)

(April 20, 2017 at 8:46 pm)bennyboy Wrote: When I was young, I thought gay guys were pretty gross and strange; I might, if I'd ever met a gay man, avoided him or even shouted an insult at him.  That's because I lived in a small town with a bunch of factory workers, loggers, and so on, and there was not yet an internet.  However, as the internet has evolved, and I've been able to see the real people and their contributions, their vital personalities, and so on, I've come to value them all.  Many are right here, and I've come to respect them-- for their uniqueness, and for their similarity to the rest of us.

It is amazing to me that people like Harris, who have access to ALL the information on the internet, could manage not to evolve their opinions in the same way I have-- in part because I'm a stubborn person and naturally very resistant to changing my ideas.  How powerful is that particular brand of ignorance which, when presented with almost all the ideas and information that have occurred to mankind in many decades, can still manage to keep itself in the dark.

Give only one rational and intelligible reason to show that homosexuality is beneficial for the humanity.

Tell me why Jews, who are the key supporters of atheism, the leaders in the porn industry, open supporters of sexual freedom who endeavour for the promotion of gay marriage in Europe, Americas, and in fact all around the world have hypocritically put a ban over gay marriage in Israel?

http://www.advocate.com/world/2016/2/29/...ghts-bills

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/...recognized
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#69
RE: Media
(April 22, 2017 at 1:42 am)Harris Wrote: Based on the nature of comments and articles of other members I have no doubt that Jews have structured atheist forum to defame religions and morality. Being the constructors they would never put Judaism in the showcase alongside Christianity and Islam to mock it.
Judaism is a steaming pile of shit. It's a collection of brutal history and weak philosophical ideas. I mock it for the mockable garbage it is. And I do so with Christianity and Islam as well. So far, I've never mentioned Judaism because there are no Jews to argue with here, but it hurts me not at all to include that religion in my magical Bag 'o Stupid with the other ones.

Quote:Secondly, you have put Science above God.
No, I do not put Science above God. I put scientific ideas above religious ideas.

Quote:Tell me:
Does science created universe or universe created science? Can there be any Donkey Science without having a live braying donkey?
Not knowing is not a good excuse for making up fairy tales. The fact is that YOU cannot explain the existence of the Universe any better than I can, except to ramble on about Allah. If Allah created the Universe, then demonstrate that He exists, and explain by what mechanism he caused it. Otherwise, it's all just farts in the breeze.


Quote:Give only one rational and intelligible reason to show that homosexuality is beneficial for the humanity.
Give only one rational and intelligible reason to show that Harris is beneficial for humanity. I can name many homosexuals who have contributed greatly to society. I cannot find that you have contributed anything except hot air and spite.

But just for fun, why don't YOU give one rational and intelligible reason to show that pedophiles who have sex with 9 year-old girls should be allowed to explain reality, and why anyone would take them seriously.
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#70
RE: Media
(April 22, 2017 at 3:19 am)bennyboy Wrote: No, I do not put Science above God. I put scientific ideas above religious ideas.

My question remains unchanged:

Were the scientific ideas conceivable without the universe?

(April 22, 2017 at 3:19 am)bennyboy Wrote: Not knowing is not a good excuse for making up fairy tales. The fact is that YOU cannot explain the existence of the Universe any better than I can, except to ramble on about Allah. If Allah created the Universe, then demonstrate that He exists, and explain by what mechanism he caused it. Otherwise, it's all just farts in the breeze.

“Not Knowing” is neither a good excuse for making fairy tales nor a good excuse for rejecting the existence of God. Quran is the guidance for those who seek truth by means of Logic and by pondering over their own conscious beings and on their environment. Quran is not a guidance for the dolts who are blindly running after their wild desires.

If someone thinks that universe has no cause and no purpose and that universe came into being out of Nothingness and argue against the Prime Cause for being the cause of all causes with the argument of infinite regression and by overruling the fact that infinite regression leads nowhere but back to Nothingness then that is an utter absurd which is insanely against the principles of Logic and Science. To me that is the most deluded self-deceiving person. The purpose of this ridiculously deluded idea is only one and that is to support the subjective hedonistic desires.

“Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators?”
Ath-Thuur (52)
-Verse 35-

(April 22, 2017 at 3:19 am)bennyboy Wrote: Give only one rational and intelligible reason to show that Harris is beneficial for humanity. I can name many homosexuals who have contributed greatly to society. I cannot find that you have contributed anything except hot air and spite.

Please do not throw my question behind the person of Harris or some homosexual. You are advocating for homosexuality therefore, it is fair to request you for an explanation on how homosexuality is beneficial for humanity. I would keenly wait for a “rational and intelligible” explanation.

(April 22, 2017 at 3:19 am)bennyboy Wrote: But just for fun, why don't YOU give one rational and intelligible reason to show that pedophiles who have sex with 9 year-old girls should be allowed to explain reality, and why anyone would take them seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zauvfaGzyzQ
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