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[Isis]

"A goy (Gentile) who enquires into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
Sanhedrin 59a

That's just 'commentary' from a Rabbi. I notice that you're ignoring the second part of the story because it suits your agenda. It is true that some figures in those stories have said that the majority (other than the basic laws) of the Torah belongs to the Jews because it is their culture but nothing is actually stopping you from reading it. Nobody has been put to death for reading the full thing while being a gentile, nor is that an actual Jewish law by the looks of it.

https://www.thejc.com/judaism/features/a...ah-1.18604

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The question of whether non-Jews should learn Torah was debated by the rabbis of the Talmud (Sanhedrin 59a). One rabbi took a universalist approach. He said that since the Torah is objectively true, anyone can study it. True, God revealed the Torah to the Jewish people, but even an idolater who studies Torah can benefit greatly, attain piety, and potentially even reach the exalted spiritual level of the High Priest.

This rabbi supported his argument with a biblical verse describing the importance of the Torah, "Keep my commandments which a person should perform and through which they will gain eternal life" (Leviticus 18: 5). The verse makes no distinction between Jews and non-Jews - Torah is there for everyone.

Others disagreed. They argued that the Torah is the narrative of the Jewish people. It is a specific covenant between the Chosen People and God. No one else should attempt to appropriate our heritage, nor should they create confusion by acting like Jews. If an idolater wants to be part of our tradition, then they should convert: if not, they should not study our texts. This rabbi also had a biblical verse to support his argument: "The Torah which God commanded us is an inheritance for the House of Jacob" (Deuteronomy 33:4). He interpreted this to mean it is our inheritance, not anybody else's.

The Talmud reconciles these apparently contradictory positions by suggesting that it is praiseworthy for heathens to study the Seven Noahide laws - the basic moral code which is binding on all of humanity since these passages are directed to them. However, the rest of the Torah, which is directed to the Jewish people, should remain exclusively ours.

While teaching Torah to idolaters was off limits, teaching it to people of other monotheistic faiths ,and in particular potential converts, was more complicated. The Rambam, for example, argued that it was permitted to teach Torah to Christians and others extend this to Muslims.

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"To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."

Libbre David 37

Okay, where did you find this quote? Google returns a lot of horribly designed, small conspiracy blogs and forums such as Stormfront. Not exactly reliable sources of information.

[bennyboy]

What's the point of people making comments if you refuse to read them or understand them?

There are Christians here arguing against atheism, quoting scripture and so on.  We verbally wreck them, because we think their ideas are weak and pointless.
There are Muslims here arguing against atheism, quoting scripture and so on.  We verbally wreck  them, because we think their ideas are weak and pointless.

There are no Jews here arguing against atheism or quoting scripture.  Nor are their Jews either waking us up on Saturday morning preaching their ideology, nor are their Jews attempting to attack our way of life.  We do not NEED to verbally wreck them, because there is nothing to fight against.


Do you not get this?  If you don't, then you're a pretty dense person.

"To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."
Libbre David 37

"A goy (Gentile) who enquires into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
Sanhedrin 59a

I think above two statements give a clear sense that Jews cannot preach transgression openly in public. To preach crime and corruption they need a suitable medium and atheism provides an ideal medium for spreading immorality.

Whether under the pretext of communism or secularism, Jews are vigorously promoting atheism among the goyim to deflate their morals. Therefore, naturally, they urge a friendly and feasible environment for the success of atheism.

Only a slave of his own desires can reject the belief in God or develop a belief in being a chosen one. In any sense, unscrupulous hedonist cannot be a moral person and consequently immoral person is prone to be harmful for the society. How harmful the members of a society would be that much success Jews would get in transforming morality into prostitution and corruption.

“There was nothing in the whole world to make men love their neighbours. That there was no law of nature that man should love mankind, and that, if there had been any love on earth hitherto, it was not owing to a natural law, but simply because men have believed in immortality. … the whole natural law lies in that faith, and that if you were to destroy in mankind the belief in immortality, not only love but every living force maintaining the life of the world would at once be dried up. Moreover, nothing then would be immoral, everything would be lawful, even cannibalism. That’s not all … for every individual, like ourselves, who does not believe in God or immortality, the moral law of nature must immediately be changed into the exact contrary of the former religious law, and that egoism, even to crime, must become not only lawful but even recognised as the inevitable, the most rational, even honourable outcome of his position.”

Dostoyevsky

You complain that we are Jews because we don't attack Christianity or your religion. I explain that since there are NO JEWS arguing on these forums, we don't have anything to argue with.

Are you capable of understanding this very obvious truth, or are you a deluded fuckwit?

[Alex K]

Isn't it odd that there are so few jews here defending the religion? In fact, I've read that the Jews brought the holocaust on themselves. So from that perspective, the only logical explanation is that Harris himself is in fact a Jew trying to provoke the next pogrom for profit. You heard it here first, folks! So Harris, prove that you are not a false flag jew first.

[bennyboy]

I don't think Harris is a Jew. I think he jerks off to pictures of Jewish women while eating bacon burgers, and the fact that he does anything that actually feels good makes him feel deeply guilty.

[Harris]

In place of uttering “Quran is horrible” it would be more effective if you provide few examples of the “horrible things in the Quran.” I am sure you would get a good bit of appreciation from Jews, agnostics, and atheists for this.

Of course, you may find more here and here. There is also an article dedicated to anti-Semitism in Islam as well, which you can find here.

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Qur'an 4:34

As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Qur'an 5:38

If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Qur'an 4:3

Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

Qur'an 65:4

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Qur'an 9:29

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Qur'an 2:282

I appreciate that you have spared some time for copying and pasting these Quranic verses.

 

English translation of all verses other than 4:34 & 9:29 are taken from the translation of Yousif Ali. I have searched verse 4:34 in several translations but did not find the wording that you have quoted. Please give me the name of interpreter who has translated verse 4:34 that you have quoted.

 

Wording in your quoted verse

“Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”

Qur'an 4:34

 

Translation of Yousif Ali:

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).”

An Nisaa (4)

-Verse 34-

 

The meanings are quite different in the two translations.

 

Secondly, the verse number of the following verse is incorrect.

 

You have quoted:

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Qur'an 2:282

 

The verse you are referring to is 33:50 not 2:82

 

I already had given my comments on similar verses in the past and for me it is only a matter of copying and pasting. Although I can write dedicated articles on each quoted verse with proper reasoning backed by appropriate academic references, I would not comment until you clearly express your point of contention in each verse. I am not an admirer of abstract reasoning the sole purpose of which is to spread confusion.

 

At this stage, what I can say is:

 

1.   All the instructions in the quoted verses (translation of Yousif Ali) are strictly in compliance with natural order, nature of man, and nature of woman. There is nothing in them you can prove to be unjust in any sense and if you think you are in position to give a counter argument then you are most welcome.

2.   There is no religion and no ideology in the world that can compete with the respect and status that Islam has given to women. In their media, Jews are giving a big exposure to couple of Black Sheep and are making every effort to portray women as oppressed beings in Islam however, their deceptions are emerging like bubbles and dissolving in thin air without causing harm to rudiments of Islam. In retaliation to this miserable failure, they come up with the enforcement of Hijab ban in several Western nations.

 

So, I would appreciate if you express exact point of your contention with proper justifiable reasoning.

 

In the meantime, please have a look on the status of woman in Talmud.

 

“It was taught: R. Judah used to say, A man is bound to say the following three blessings daily: "[Blessed art thou...] who hast not made me a heathen," ".... who hast not made me a WOMAN"; and "... who hast not made me a brutish man." R. Aha b. Jacob once overhead his son saying "[Blessed art thou...] who hast not made me a brutish man," whereupon he said to him, "And this too!" Said the other, "Then what blessing should I say instead?" [He replied,]...h who hast not made me a slave." And is not that the same as a WOMAN? - a slave is more contemptible.

1901 JEKethuboth 11b”

 

“[A "prayer" or "benediction" to be said by a Jewish man every day: "Thank God for not making me a Gentile, a WOMAN or a slave."]”

Menachoth 43b-44a

 

“The sages of the Talmud customarily spoke with mockery and belittlement about WOMEN, even those WOMEN who were prophets — Devorah and Chuldah. They degraded the WOMEN and claimed that the WOMEN deserve no respect and that their very names are disgusting; Devorah (bee) is the name of an insect and Chuldah (rat) is that of a rodent. Thus, too, they spoke of Avigail the prophet; when she was still married, the sages claimed, she hinted to King David that he would marry her. They interpreted her words to David, quoted in the Scriptures, “When the Lord shall have dealt well with my lord, then remember your handmaid,” — Rav Nachman said, “There is a folk saying: while WOMEN talk, they spin their own wool” [while a WOMAN talks she watches out for herself; while Avigail talked to David to save her husband, she also made sure to hint to him that he should marry her after her husband dies]” Megillah 14b

 

“WOMAN is a sack of excrement and her mouth is full of blood, but all run after her”

Shabbat 152a

 

“A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal!”

Coschen hamischpat 405

 

“Non-Jewish girls are in a state of filth from birth!”

Abodah Zarah, 36b

 

(i)(Beraisa): “It is forbidden for dogs, WOMEN or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, WOMEN or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the WOMEN are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.”

Pesachim 111a.

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You complain that we are Jews because we don't attack Christianity or your religion.  I explain that since there are NO JEWS arguing on these forums, we don't have anything to argue with.

Are you capable of understanding this very obvious truth, or are you a deluded fuckwit?

And I have given you the reason why Jews are not arguing for their religion in atheist forum. They are using atheism and atheist forum as their tool to spread immorality and corruption in non-Jewish cultures.

[bennyboy]

Harris, you seem to be trying very hard to demonstrate that the Jewish religion is a barbaric and savage institution. But who are you trying to demonstrate this to? There are no active Jews here, nor anybody who much cares about the Jewish religion.

However, a building is only as good as its foundation. Christianity was founded on Judaism, and Islam in turn on both. Your religion is ALSO a savage relic of ancient sand-dwellers.

I think I can speak for most here when I say if you, the Christians and the Jews ALL disappeared into the breeze one day, we'd all feel better off for it.

[Alex K]

There is no religion and no ideology in the world that can compete with the respect and status that Islam has given to women.

Wahahahaha.

Well, if you count having a potato sack over your head as a status symbol, I suppose.

[Isis]

Harris, all the information that you need is in those articles that I provided. You constantly single out Judaism but I don't read many stories about practising Jews oppressing women. Islam on the other hand continues to oppress women and LGBT people daily.

I hope my signature annoys you.

[GUBU]

It's okay guys.  Our cover story of being a secret Jewish media conspiracy site is still unbroken.

The Alien Overlords™ are still pleased with us.

Which alien overlrds, the Greys, the Lizards or the Anal Probers? I keep forgetting who we're working for.

[Harris]

Harris, you seem to be trying very hard to demonstrate that the Jewish religion is a barbaric and savage institution.

Indeed! Talmud is the law written by savage psychopathic crooks who have one-sidedly given religious and legal status to their disgraceful and outrageous criminal activities against humanity.

If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Talmud. (1935). Baba Mezia. Soncino Edition. 114a-114b.

What a Jew obtains by theft from a Cuthean [Gentile] he may keep.
Talmud, Sanhedrin (1935). Soncino Edition. 57a. p.388.

[Gentiles] are outside the protection of the law and God has ‘exposed their money to Israel.’
Talmud, Baba Kamma. (1935). Soncino Edition. 37b.

Jews may use lies (‘subterfuges’) to circumvent a [Gentile].
Talmud, Baba Kamma. (1935). Soncino Edition. p.664-665.

A maiden aged three years and one day may be acquired in marriage by coition (sexual intercourse).
(Sanhedrin 55b and 69a-69b) and (Yebamoth 57b 58a, 60b)
Talmud. (1936). Yebamoth. Soncino Edition

A heathen [Gentile] who pries into the Torah [and other Jewish Scriptures] is condemned to death, for it is written, it is our inheritance, not theirs.
Talmud, Sanhedrin 59a. (1935). Soncino Edition. p.400.

But who are you trying to demonstrate this to? There are no active Jews here, nor anybody who much cares about the Jewish religion.

How much you enjoy the mockery of Bible and Quran that much you hate the exposure of truth about Talmud and Jewish deceits. This is obvious even to a blind person. Furthermore, I have noticed that few anti-Zion comments made by other members have been evaporated from my previous discussions whereas thousands of anti-Christian and anti-Islam comments are shining in atheist forum like a bright midday sun. So, I do not see any indifferent behaviour concerning Judaism in atheist forum.

However, a building is only as good as its foundation. Christianity was founded on Judaism, and Islam in turn on both.

According to the Islamic teachings Allah has sent Psalm (Zaboor) to Prophet David but ancestors of Jews have amended it to favour their hedonistic desires.

To revive the Divine Law, Allah has sent Torah (Torat) over Prophet Moses but again Jews have changed it. In parallel they have started developing Talmud to be their desired law by giving crooked, wicked, and dishonest interpretation to the commandments of Torah.

To revive the Divine Law Allah has sent Gospel (Injeel) to Prophet Jesus but Jews had blatantly refused to recognize it to be their law and Jesus (a Jew) to be their Prophet in order to protect their modified version of Torah and crooked Talmud which they have developed conferring to their beloved desires. According to Talmud Gospel is one of the most detested scripture. Naturally, hate worked aggressively and in result changes have appeared in the Gospel as well.

To revive the Divine Law Allah has sent Quran and made it a guidance for all human races. This time Quran revealed over Prophet Mohammad an Arab who grew among Pagans of Arab.

In essence each time when people have introduced corruption into Divine Law, Allah has revived it by sending another scripture.

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Matt 5:17-19 KJV

“It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book (Quran), confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus).”
Ali Imran (3)
-Verse 3-

“And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.”
Al Maidah (5)
-Verse 46-

Quran is the last and final scripture because this time Allah Himself has taken the responsibility for its protection. Indeed, since its revelation almost 1,500 years have passed and no one was able to change Quran and this fact is in itself a miracle.

Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.
An Nisaa (4)
-Verse 82-

We have, without doubt, sent down the Message (Quran); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).
Al Hijr (15)
-Verse 9-

Your religion is ALSO a savage relic of ancient sand-dwellers.

No, it is not. To whom you are referring as savage were Pagans, Christians, and Jews who were the real sand-dwellers of Arabia before revelation of Quran. It was the teachings of Quran and life style of Prophet Mohammad that have transformed these people from savages to adoring human beings.

I think I can speak for most here when I say if you, the Christians and the Jews ALL disappeared into the breeze one day, we'd all feel better off for it.

Once I wrote, while discussing with you:

“Everything that has a beginning has an end.”

This is nature and no one and nothing would escape this reality.

You and I had a beginning and sooner or later we are going to face an end. Regardless, whether you vanish first or I, life is infinitesimal. There is no guarantee that you would be able to enjoy your desired feelings in this infinitesimal life.

Guaranteed enjoyment is in living a life in compliance with natural order and without being deceived by your own desires.

“Those who love the life of this world more than the Hereafter, who hinder (men) from the Path of Allah and seek therein something crooked: they are astray by a long distance.”
Ibrahim (14)
-Verse 3-

“Set forth to them the similitude of the life of this world: It is like the rain which we send down from the skies: the earth's vegetation absorbs it, but soon it becomes dry stubble, which the winds do scatter: it is (only) Allah who prevails over all things.”
Al Kahfi (18)
-Verse 45-

“Say: "The (Qur'an) was sent down by Him who knows the mystery (that is) in the heavens and the earth: verily He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.””
Al Furqaan (25)
-Verse 6-

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There is no religion and no ideology in the world that can compete with the respect and status that Islam has given to women.

Wahahahaha.

Well, if you count having a potato sack over your head as a status symbol, I suppose.

Woman with a load on her body is not a symbol of status it is a symbol of poverty in which men, women, and even children are forced to work like animals (goyim). In today’s world Jews are suppressing people by spreading poverty. Poverty is the oppression of Jews. For example, Africa is the richest content however, Jews have stolen all African wealth by tricking and corrupting African governments and put that humungous wealth in their Banks. They have left the people to whom this wealth belongs into illiteracy, starvation, heavy labour, and disease.

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