And now, Egypt...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sunday, April 9, 2017 8:29 AM EDT

Two explosions at Coptic churches in Egypt on Palm Sunday left at least 31 people dead and injured dozens of others as a day of worship in the besieged Christian community turned to destruction and carnage.



Read more at NYT.

[c172]

Oh, you mean here?: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/09/world....html?_r=0

[chimp3]

God is not great!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Oh, you mean here?: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/09/world....html?_r=0

Yep, there.

[Brian37]

Two explosions in Egypt killed dozens of worshipers at Coptic churches on Palm Sunday. There was no immediate claim of responsibility.
Sunday, April 9, 2017 8:29 AM EDT

Two explosions at Coptic churches in Egypt on Palm Sunday left at least 31 people dead and injured dozens of others as a day of worship in the besieged Christian community turned to destruction and carnage.



Read more at NYT.

People stupidly murder in the name of religion?

I'm Wolf Blitzer In The Situation Room, this just in "NO FUCKING SHIT'.......

How about we simply go after those individual groups and individuals and not use bullshit calls for bans and mass deportations?

I am really sick of this shit. "The Koran and Hadiths contain justifications for violence" NO SHIT. "Islam is further stuck in the past as far as theocratic authoritarianism in the east"........ Again, NO FUCKING SHIT.

But so what, that does not make the Christian god real or the Jewish god real by proxy, nor does it excuse every religiously based reaction by Christians or Jews in response. 

NO I will NOT assume the guilt of the individual before they do something. You can go after bad ideas and and violent groups and sects WITHOUT bullshit blanket fear in response. 

The only reason the west has less religious violence is because of WESTERN SECULAR LAW. Christianity and Islam and Jewish all have the same tribal god of Abraham and all started out in the same region. Unless ALL three face this and face that religion is the cause there will never bee any peace. 

ALL THREE ARE RESPONSIBLE, and the alleged two adults of the three still have far too many that don't see this. 

I will not cave into fear of my fellow human because some get violent.

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God is not great!

Christopher Hitchens book "God Is Not Great, How Religion Poisons Everything" while addressing Islam was not solely focused on Islam, but the idea of religions in general as well. 

People stupidly took that title as hate of human rights, but even atheists got stupid and saw it as a call to end religion. Hitchens always valued human rights, and if you watch his debates with Christians and Jews and Muslims on Youtube, you might hear him calling individuals full of crap, but he never called for violence to entire religions. 

In the second or third chapter of that book, he says he took invites to holy places, wear the appropriate cloths and even take his shoes off before he went in. He spoke fondly in that book of one of his Christian teachers growing up, but it was because of one of her blunders talking about nature and God, she inadvertently set him more on the road to skepticism for the rest of his life.

All he meant in that book was that religion poisons political discourse even among the same umbrella labels. He never deluded himself into thinking we could get a 100% atheist planet by force. He merely advocated for the idea that no religion deserves to be scrutiny or blasphemy free. He was very Jeffersonian in this respect. 

He certainly thought humans would be better off without it, but he never advocated a forced end through blanket solutions. He hated Saddamn and rightfully pointed out that religion was what helped him gain power. He also hated Mother Teresa whom he said created more poverty and did not help the poor. But he also hated Kim Jong Ill and treated worship of authority blindly in the same manor as worship of a God blindly.

[chimp3]

Allah is not great. Neither is the useless god of the Coptics.

[brewer]

Ah, the religions of peace.

[Brian37]

Allah is not great. Neither is the useless god of the Coptics.

Nor is the Christian or Jewish God, all three started out in the same region, all have tribal motifs based on state rivalries and divine entitlement. 

What they all miss, is that was the case in all of antiquity. Humans lived under a ruling family and those families were the top of the chain, then came the warrior class, then the subjects. Even the polytheism of Rome and Greece, we stupidly think those reflect modern democracy and they don't. Even with them you had Caesars which is simply another name for king. It can be argued that both in polytheism and monotheism that you had more tolerant or more brutal leaders, but everyone back then lived under a ruling class.

[chimp3]

Allah is not great. Neither is the useless god of the Coptics.

Nor is the Christian or Jewish God, all three started out in the same region, all have tribal motifs based on state rivalries and divine entitlement. 

What they all miss, is that was the case in all of antiquity. Humans lived under a ruling family and those families were the top of the chain, then came the warrior class, then the subjects. Even the polytheism of Rome and Greece, we stupidly think those reflect modern democracy and they don't. Even with them you had Caesars which is simply another name for king. It can be argued that both in polytheism and monotheism that you had more tolerant or more brutal leaders, but everyone back then lived under a ruling class.

The christian god is the god of the Coptics. Still not great.

[Brian37]

Nor is the Christian or Jewish God, all three started out in the same region, all have tribal motifs based on state rivalries and divine entitlement. 

What they all miss, is that was the case in all of antiquity. Humans lived under a ruling family and those families were the top of the chain, then came the warrior class, then the subjects. Even the polytheism of Rome and Greece, we stupidly think those reflect modern democracy and they don't. Even with them you had Caesars which is simply another name for king. It can be argued that both in polytheism and monotheism that you had more tolerant or more brutal leaders, but everyone back then lived under a ruling class.

The christian god is the god of the Coptics. Still not great.

I watch the news I am very familiar with the term "Coptic Christians" but still does not change that Islam and Jews and Christians still stem from the God of Abraham Yahweh who was a stolen character from the tribal polytheism of the Canaanites when Yahweh was a lesser deity under the head God El.