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RE: Love thy neighbor
May 4, 2017 at 2:43 pm
Jesus has the final word, regardless of how we interpret the Old Testament. That's why I say Christianity is defined mainly by the New Testaments - the teachings of Christ.
Jesus specifically said "You have heard it said, 'an eye for an eye', but I am here to tell you to love your enemies."
Remember, "an eye for an eye" is a line from the Old Testament. Jesus is specifically telling us to listen to HIM instead.
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RE: Love thy neighbor
May 4, 2017 at 3:20 pm
The whole point of the Parable of the Good Samaritan is that the neighbor you're supposed to love is anyone who needs you.
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RE: Love thy neighbor
May 4, 2017 at 3:26 pm
(May 4, 2017 at 3:20 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The whole point of the Parable of the Good Samaritan is that the neighbor you're supposed to love is anyone who needs you.
Yes. The good Samaritan helped a Jew. Jews and Samaritans traditionally hated each other.
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RE: Love thy neighbor
May 4, 2017 at 3:58 pm
(May 4, 2017 at 3:26 pm)Lek Wrote: (May 4, 2017 at 3:20 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The whole point of the Parable of the Good Samaritan is that the neighbor you're supposed to love is anyone who needs you.
Yes. The good Samaritan helped a Jew. Jews and Samaritans traditionally hated each other.
Agreed. There's also a subtext that would have been clearer to the original audience but is somewhat lost today concerning the question whether ritual purity trumps love and which is more pleasing to God.
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RE: Love thy neighbor
May 4, 2017 at 4:44 pm
Quote:Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it, which he did.
Oh, horseshit. The assholes who wrote that nonsense couldn't get their story straight.
Quote:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matty 5:18
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RE: Love thy neighbor
May 4, 2017 at 4:53 pm
Well, Earth anyway.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Love thy neighbor
May 4, 2017 at 5:37 pm
Soooo... God changed? He's not the same forever? He changed his mind? He made a mistake in the Old Testament?
Or... he didn't authorize the Old Testament. It was fraud. Not really divine inspiration? What's it going to be? Either Jesus is the son of the god and they're one in the same, or Jesus disagrees with his dad, or the Bible is man inspired (not the word of the god) and it's no wonder it's a load of contradictions.
I don't know how this can be confusing. Lol
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RE: Love thy neighbor
May 4, 2017 at 6:03 pm
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(May 4, 2017 at 5:37 pm)Mamacita Wrote: Soooo... God changed? He's not the same forever? He changed his mind? He made a mistake in the Old Testament?
Or... he didn't authorize the Old Testament. It was fraud. Not really divine inspiration? What's it going to be? Either Jesus is the son of the god and they're one in the same, or Jesus disagrees with his dad, or the Bible is man inspired (not the word of the god) and it's no wonder it's a load of contradictions.
I don't know how this can be confusing. Lol
simply put the OT god is unchanging.
For god to change in the NT he would have need a pretty big or good reason too.
If he made a mistake in the OT that would completely nullify the fact he is all knowing and from that we can also point out he
isn't all powerful since steel chariots and such.
Because lets be honest if there was some sort of end times were god vs satan i am pretty sure humans are far better off than we could imagine.
If god couldn't beat a iron chariot or chariots that would mean the satan in the under ground which is weaker than god couldn't do jack shit to one either.
That would mean any sort of tank would be end game on both sides they wouldn't be able to do things to them the tank and tank crew would win.
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RE: Love thy neighbor
May 4, 2017 at 6:29 pm
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(May 4, 2017 at 5:37 pm)Mamacita Wrote: Soooo... God changed? He's not the same forever? He changed his mind? He made a mistake in the Old Testament?
Or... he didn't authorize the Old Testament. It was fraud. Not really divine inspiration? What's it going to be? Either Jesus is the son of the god and they're one in the same, or Jesus disagrees with his dad, or the Bible is man inspired (not the word of the god) and it's no wonder it's a load of contradictions.
I don't know how this can be confusing. Lol
My belief is that God never changed.
God did not write the bible. And while the people who wrote it were "inspired" by God, it was still written by people, through their own perception and their own way of explaining whatever message they needed to get across. Jesus came partially to set the record straight on certain things that people weren't really getting "right." I guess that's why He was so controversial. He was saying many things that contradicted what was written and how people at the time were interpreting.
But anyway, I should say that's why the bible is not the end all be all of my faith.
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RE: Love thy neighbor
May 4, 2017 at 7:01 pm
(This post was last modified: May 4, 2017 at 7:19 pm by Lek.)
(May 4, 2017 at 4:44 pm)Minimalist Wrote: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matty 5:18
Last I looked, heaven and earth are still here.
Since the rest of the new testament testifies that we are no longer under the requirements of the law, Jesus obviously wasn't saying that we must follow all the requirements of the law. I think he clarifies his position in the following verses:
Matthew 22:36-40English Standard Version (ESV)
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
We are required to follow these two commandments, and in doing so we are fulfilling the old testament law. The Jews, obsessed with following ordinances, never did understand the true spirit and requirements of the law.
(May 4, 2017 at 5:37 pm)Mamacita Wrote: Soooo... God changed? He's not the same forever? He changed his mind? He made a mistake in the Old Testament?
Or... he didn't authorize the Old Testament. It was fraud. Not really divine inspiration? What's it going to be? Either Jesus is the son of the god and they're one in the same, or Jesus disagrees with his dad, or the Bible is man inspired (not the word of the god) and it's no wonder it's a load of contradictions.
I don't know how this can be confusing. Lol
Are you saying that an unchanging God cannot establish different laws to people at different times? He established the law for the purpose of demonstrating that people were unable to follow it. It demonstrated that we are unable to justify ourselves to God. That is why we needed Jesus to make the sacrifice for us. God didn't change his mind, rather it was all part of his plan for us.
What does unchanging mean to you? Does it mean that if God was happy and then he became angry about something that means he changed? Or maybe if he decided to make a covenant with Moses and then another covenant with Moses, then that means he changed. I guess if I give my 14 year old son a ten o'clock curfew and then change it to eleven when he turns 16, that means I'm changing into a different person.
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