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Dr. Long proves life after death or no?
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RE: Dr. Long proves life after death or no?
(April 26, 2017 at 11:22 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(April 26, 2017 at 9:59 pm)Manga Wrote: I'm just wondering how on earth some of these patients can recall certain things with such accuracy.

The mind is a funny thing. I've used this example before, but you probably haven't seen it since you're new.

I have very vivid memories of watching Jackie Joyner-Kersee win gold at the Summer Olympic games in New York City, 1998. There are two HUGE problems with this. First, there were no Summer Games in 1998. 1996 and 2000, yes. Not 1998. Second, New York City has never hosted the Olympic games. Lake Placid, yes. Not New York City, ever. So, how did I get such vivid memories of the event, and mind you, before I did the research I would have sworn under oath that Jackie Joyner-Kersee did indeed win at least one gold medal in the New York Summer Olympics in 1998, where they've never been held, in a year they weren't held.

Memory is fluid, not fixed and the stronger a memory is, the more likely you are to accept it as fact and report it as fact if questioned about the events. It gets even worse if you're given a bunch of leading questions (was the cloth pink, magenta or fuchsia [all shades of pink]).

Jackie Joyner-Kersee did indeed win gold in New York, in 1998, in an Olympic style event, the Goodwill Games. But, she was not competing in the Olympics no matter how much my brain was insisting she was, despite contrary evidence and I didn't even have to be near death to fuck that memory up.

So, how do "some of these patients can recall certain things with such accuracy"? Fuzzy memories and impressions sorted through after the fact by a brain that wants to make sense of the input would be my guess.

Have you ever seen one of the post-NDE interviews? The interviewer (in every case I've seen) asks leading question after leading question, directing the interviewee to all the details. There has been at least one legitimate scientific study of NDEs, but guess what, it's nothing proponents if NDEs being proof of the afterlife want to read.

NDE's have, it would seem, a variety of potential causes and sources, but there is, to date, no evidence that they are in any way evidence (let alone proof) of any soul or other spiritual medium.

I like your memory of the 1998 "Olympics" haha, that is interesting. I personally have vivid memories of once having a dream when I was five or six. I dreamt my family and I were going somewhere, so I went outside on the driveway to wait for them. Then, I noticed to the left of my driveway (on my next door neighbour's lawn), I saw a floating blonde girl, and she was transparent, had her eyes closed. Suddenly, I woke up, and suddenly, in my room, I saw the same transparent figure! She suddenly took the shape of a scarecrow we used to have in our basement. I got up, and walked around my room. This transparent "ghost" looking image didn't go away, it just kept floating. I ran to my parents room. My dad didn't believe that this happened, and he walked my back to my room. Surprise surprise, as soon as we got to my room, this image was gone. I feel that most people who experienced it would have been convinced it was a spirit, and it is possible that with faulty memory, I remember it slightly differently than it actually happened, close to 15 years ago. I am 100% convinced I saw something, but I do not at all believe that it was real. I actually think that I was probably sleepwalking. I know that the brain can cause these kinds of events that feel very real. I will never know what it was, but I would say there is a 99.9% chance it was a dream, or my head was messed up haha. Anyways, I agree with what you say, but Dr. Long argues that these visions feel "more real than real life". Do you think a dying brain, that may be able to pick up certain noises, or things in this state could generate a feeling that this vision is perfectly clear and concise?
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#22
RE: Dr. Long proves life after death or no?
(April 26, 2017 at 11:39 pm)Whateverist Wrote: The existence of an afterlife isn't the sort of thing one proves.  Math, logic and vodka.  That's it.

You forgot Belgium ale and barrel aged gin.
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#23
RE: Dr. Long proves life after death or no?
(April 27, 2017 at 10:39 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(April 26, 2017 at 11:39 pm)Whateverist Wrote: The existence of an afterlife isn't the sort of thing one proves.  Math, logic and vodka.  That's it.

You forgot Belgium ale and barrel aged gin.


Point taken.
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#24
RE: Dr. Long proves life after death or no?
I want evidence of a Post death experience, near death is no problem
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RE: Dr. Long proves life after death or no?
(April 27, 2017 at 3:19 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: I want evidence of a Post death experience, near death is no problem

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#26
RE: Dr. Long proves life after death or no?
(April 27, 2017 at 4:22 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(April 27, 2017 at 3:19 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: I want evidence of a Post death experience, near death is no problem

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Zebo asked for evidence. Ev-i-dence.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#27
RE: Dr. Long proves life after death or no?
Should rename this thread, "Manga fails to prove Dr. Long's claims"
Dying to live, living to die.
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RE: Dr. Long proves life after death or no?
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A book of hearsay isn't evidence it's a book of hearsay
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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