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The day of reckoning has arrived.
#21
RE: The day of reckoning has arrived.
(May 1, 2017 at 11:14 am)Crunchy Wrote:
(May 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: After so many years that most of you guys praise science as the panacea to human problems
now is time to show that you know something about science.

Here are three of the very basic questions.

1) In the existence of this universe of ours in which order the fundamental factors came.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space?
(Did the matter came first or last and what about the other factors?)

2) And why one factor came first and the next follow?

3) What is the best way to understand how the above universal factors are positioned or arranged?

Remember that I did not say anything about a creator so let us concentrate on science alone.


I'll ignore the strawman about science being a panacea and go to the heart of the matter.

What you seem to not understand is that science is a methodology for answering questions. It is a process.
Let's say you were really serious about answering the questions you posed. 

Below are two methods you can go about to try and find the answers. You tell me (honestly) which is the better method?


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How do you know that I base my knowledge on faith?
I follow yoga not religions and yoga is based on intuitional science which is even better than physical science.  Lightbulb
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#22
RE: The day of reckoning has arrived.
(May 1, 2017 at 11:32 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(May 1, 2017 at 11:14 am)Crunchy Wrote: I'll ignore the strawman about science being a panacea and go to the heart of the matter.

What you seem to not understand is that science is a methodology for answering questions. It is a process.
Let's say you were really serious about answering the questions you posed. 

Below are two methods you can go about to try and find the answers. You tell me (honestly) which is the better method?


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How do you know that I base my knowledge on faith?
I follow yoga not religions and yoga is based on intuitional science which is even better than physical science.  Lightbulb

What does "intuitional science" even mean?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#23
RE: The day of reckoning has arrived.
(May 1, 2017 at 11:28 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So..we all know that Rik is fishing for a point with all the ill-worded questions and dishonest shifts to come.  So why not just spell out what you're trying to say up front so we can all avoid the song and dance this time?

What point are you trying to make?

He believes in fairy tales..... which is not exactly news.
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#24
RE: The day of reckoning has arrived.
(May 1, 2017 at 11:28 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So..we all know that Rik is fishing for a point with all the ill-worded questions and dishonest shifts to come.  So why not just spell out what you're trying to say up front so we can all avoid the song and dance this time?

What point are you trying to make?


I will have to let you in the mental lurch until tomorrow Fat.
Is getting a bit too late here.
Tomorrow I will tell you how you guys fail miserably.  Wink
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#25
RE: The day of reckoning has arrived.
(May 1, 2017 at 11:39 am)Minimalist Wrote:
(May 1, 2017 at 11:28 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So..we all know that Rik is fishing for a point with all the ill-worded questions and dishonest shifts to come.  So why not just spell out what you're trying to say up front so we can all avoid the song and dance this time?

What point are you trying to make?

He believes in fairy tales..... which is not exactly news.


Well, to be fair, he does call it .. just-think-up-any-shit-you-like science, not physical science.  Comparing that to fairy tales doesn't do justice to fairy tales.
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#26
RE: The day of reckoning has arrived.
(May 1, 2017 at 11:40 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(May 1, 2017 at 11:28 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So..we all know that Rik is fishing for a point with all the ill-worded questions and dishonest shifts to come.  So why not just spell out what you're trying to say up front so we can all avoid the song and dance this time?

What point are you trying to make?


I will have to let you in the mental lurch until tomorrow Fat.
Is getting a bit too late here.
Tomorrow I will tell you how you guys fail miserably.  Wink

Failing on a test about religious drivel. "Ooh, the pain."
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#27
RE: The day of reckoning has arrived.
But I thought today was the day of reckoning, not tomorrow.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#28
RE: The day of reckoning has arrived.
(May 1, 2017 at 11:26 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(May 1, 2017 at 11:08 am)Nanny Wrote: Science is simply the best tool we have to explain phenomena. It does this way better than religion because it is verifiable. It is no panacea. 

Re: fundamental factors - since when is water not matter? Since when is air not matter? Both are chemistry. Elemental chemistry comes from stars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_nucleosynthesis . In that sense all matter comes from stars. 

I suggest that you are asking the wrong questions.


What about the space Nanny?
Does the space come from the stars too?  Rolleyes

Beside how do you know that the stars came first?
How can you put the stars in a non place?
Wouldn't you need a space to put the stars first?  Lightbulb

Okay, so you concede that you worded your question poorly. Let's pick nits.

Space is nothing - vacuum, void. Where does one put nothing? 

So you want to question the BBT. Is that what this is all about? 

Why don't you state your hypothesis so we can pick that apart, too.
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#29
RE: The day of reckoning has arrived.
(May 1, 2017 at 11:55 am)Nanny Wrote:
(May 1, 2017 at 11:26 am)Little Rik Wrote: What about the space Nanny?
Does the space come from the stars too?  Rolleyes

Beside how do you know that the stars came first?
How can you put the stars in a non place?
Wouldn't you need a space to put the stars first?  Lightbulb

Okay, so you concede that you worded your question poorly. Let's pick nits.

Space is nothing - vacuum, void. Where does one put nothing? 

So you want to question the BBT. Is that what this is all about? 

Why don't you state your hypothesis so we can pick that apart, too.

You don't have to do this, Nanny. It's not too late. Save yourself!
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#30
RE: The day of reckoning has arrived.
"Yoga is a science. From systematic observations and experiments over thousands of years, and from substantial guidance from various elevated masters, yogis have got a deep understanding of the functions of body and mind and the relationship of the two. From yogic practices such as meditation we experience the vast potentialities of the mind and realizes what we, and the cosmos really are. Such valuable understanding gives us a strong base for personal growth and to face the challenges of life. As such, Yoga and Intuitoinal Science is fundamental to the self-development of each student at Ananda Marga Gurukula at all grade levels."

Quote:The science of Kundalini is thousands of years old. It is an essential part of Tantra, the spiritual science which was systematized seven thousand years ago by Lord Sadashiva....

What is Kundalinii?

Prakrti (the operative principle of the supreme consciousness) manifests Herself in and through the cosmic order as Shivanii, Bhaeravii and Bhavanii, respectively. Her last expression, Bhavanii, is static in nature. By her influence the Infinite Consciousness becomes crudified to the ultimate stage, the solid factor. The kundalinii is the expression of this Bhavanii shakti in the human form. According to Tantra, the human structure is a microcosm of the Macrocosmic Universe. The five cakras (chakras) or subtle-energy centers of the human body are the controlling points of the five fundamental factors within the human form:

• Muladhara, controls the solid factor
• Svadhisthana, the liquid factor
• Manipura, luminous factor
• Anahata, aerial
• Vishuddha, etherial

The unit mind is the microcosmic replica of the Cosmic Mind and its controlling seat is ajina cakra; and the seat of the Supreme Consciousness in the human body is the sahasrara cakra. Thus in the human form muladhara cakra is the controlling center of the crudest factor, solid – the most static point of the body. This is the ultimate state of crude expression, the end-point of creation, so to speak. Here the momentum of Prakrti has come to an end: She is exhausted, in her most static state. It is here in the Muladhara cakra that the Bhavanii shakti in the form of kundalinii is asleep. Asleep – but not dead: here all the infinite potential energy of the Universe, the powerful fo rce that has created this vast world of infinite variety, is lying, waiting to return to its state of union with the Supreme Purusa again. She is waiting to be awakened from Her slumber, to ascend to the seat of pure Consciousness, the sahasrara cakra.

The kula is the last point of the spinal cord. “Ku” means “physical structure” and “la” means “container” So “kula” means “the container of the physical structure.” Since the Bhavanii shakti is lying; in potential form in the kula, in the muladhara cakra. She is called “kulakundalinii.”

The cakras have been described as “nerve plexuses” and seem to be related to the endocrine system, but they are far subtler than the physical glands or nerves. They are the controlling centers of all the nadiis, the subtle-energy flows within the body. The kundalinii is lying quiet in the muladhara cakra which blocks her free passage-way up the susumna. The unit consciousness came from the Supreme Consciousness and has the potential to, merge again in that Source; what separates the two are the various bondages of mental propensities, represented in the human body by the cakras. As the kundalinii rises in the susumna and pierces the cakras one by one, the bondages break, and the unit again becomes the Supreme – jiiva becomes Shiva. Thus the spiritual journey is essentially the journey of the kundalinii, transmuting energy from lower centers to higher ones – the opening of the susumna canal and the progressive release and channeling of the powerful dormant energies in the human body.

http://www.anandamarga.org/articles/kundalinii/

"Pancha Bhoota or Pancha Maha-Bhoota (Sanskrit: पञ्चभूत, पञ्चमहाभूत ) , five great elements, also five physical elements, is a group of five basic elements, which, according to Hinduism, is the basis of all cosmic creation.[1] These elements are: Prithvi (Hindi: पृथ्वी, Earth), Apas/Jal (Hindi: जल, Water), Agni(Hindi:अग्नि, Fire), Vayu (Hindi: वायु, Air), Aakash(Hindi: आकाश, Aether). These elements have different characteristics and these also account for different faculties of human experience. In ayurveda and Indian philosophy, the human body is considered to be made of these five elements." ~ Wikipedia: Pancha Bhoota

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Religious drivel.  Got any evidence?
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