The day of reckoning has arrived.

[Crossless2.0]

Yes, Rik, Einstein was concerned about the rise of anti-Semitism and traveled to the U.S. to raise support for a Jewish center of learning on behalf of his friend Weizmann, as well as to deliver a number of addresses to universities and scientific societies. But you're missing the point. The reason his voice was seen as valuable on that issue was because of his celebrity; he was world famous, having been awarded the Nobel Prize for physics that very year. He wasn't widely known for Jewish or Zionist activism. He was known for his scientific achievements, and it was his fame for those accomplishments that gave him the high public profile he used to address other matters.

It doesn't change a thing, or matter in the least, that few of the people who lined the streets actually understood his work. The press had written extensively about him and people who didn't understand a thing about special or general relativity "knew" that his work was considered revolutionary. I dare say that most of them flocked to see him because they had been told that he had fundamentally changed the way we understand the universe -- not because he was going to solicit support for Weizmann's project. Hell, he was as famous, in his way, as Babe Ruth was!

I can't speak for my grandparents, who might well have been too young in 1921 to have noted Einstein's visit halfway across the country, but I'd be surprised if my great-grandparents had been unaware of his visit, since it was widely reported. Did they understand his work? I doubt it. But they sure as hell wouldn't have known of him because he was going to give an address on behalf of a Zionist organization.

Stick to your metaphysical cant. It's where your true 'talent' lies.

You may take that last word in both senses.

[Angrboda]

You must have loss your reading glasses son.
But no worry mate.
LR is here to help.

Let us see what that paper say................
It say that several thousand of persons came to greet Einstein which was noted for his theory of relativity.......blah blah blah .....
It didn't say that the people came to greet him because of this.
In fact if you keep on reading a bit further it say that Einstein came with a delegation in order to enlist support of all elements of American Jewry for the world Zionist organisation ........blah blah blah......

You utter fucking moron. You'll keep digging around until you find something you can interpret as supporting your ideas. That's nothing but rank stinking confirmation bias. The Nazi party wasn't opposed by world Jewry until later on than its founding, which was 1920-21. ("Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities, and in the 1930s the party's focus shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes." ~ Wikipedia.) And the World Zionist Organization was founded in 1897 with the stated goal of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Nothing whatsoever to do with Nazi Germany at that point, as there was no Nazi Germany at that point. The Beer Hall Putsch, the Nazi party's first grab at power didn't even occur until 1923. ("The Beer Hall Putsch, also known as the Munich Putsch, and, in German, as the Hitlerputsch or Hitler-Ludendorff-Putsch, was a failed coup attempt by the Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler — along with Generalquartiermeister Erich Ludendorff and other Kampfbund leaders — to seize power in Munich, Bavaria, during 8–9 November 1923." ~ Wikipedia) The paper says quite plainly, "noted German scientist." Only someone with an agenda to prove could mistake that as claiming that he was noted for being a Jew rather than a scientist.

It's clear that you know dick about world history, but don't let that stop you from making absurd claims about the history of Zionism and the Nazi party.

"Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning." ~ Wikipedia [emphasis mine]

You reason with an agenda, which is the basis of confirmation bias, thus you come to erroneous conclusions. You'd make a shitty detective because you latch onto a theory and then attempt to bend all the evidence to fit that theory. Thus you fail. You start with your conclusion and only look at things which support your conclusion. You completely ignore things that don't fit your conclusion, like you did above with Einstein.

Your original statement, "In most cases people who do great things become famous only after their death never during their lifetime so during his life our Einstein was little known and in any case not regarded as a great great brain as we know him today. In this way very few people knew him as great [...]" was completely wrong. Einstein was famous, and he was famous as a scientist, not simply as a Jew. So now we see that not only are you misinterpreting Nazi history to twist it to your own ends, you're not anywhere close to what you originally claimed. You're just a schmuck, reasoning with an agenda, and getting it all wrong.

You'll twist and turn every which way to avoid admitting that you were wrong. That's because you have no integrity, and are intellectually dishonest. You don't reason toward the truth. You reason towards conclusions that you've already convinced yourself about long before any actual search for evidence. In this way, you only confirm what you already believe, but you do so in error.

Now, if you're done fucking over the truth of history for your own personal gain, do you have any actual evidence for the load of shit you spewed in this thread earlier. In case you've forgotten.....

It is all about pure consciousness that in order to create need to engage so to speak in a stage of metamorphosis.
Metamorphosis is change.
Change her 100% pure consciousness into a less aware consciousness.
How?
The universe is made of vibrations and according the frequency of these vibrations the various fundamental factors come into existence.
So it is obvious that a sequence into the creation of the 5 fundamental factor take place according the
frequency of these vibrations.
The first to come into existence is the etherial factor that we can better explain as the space and the last is the matter in which the frequencies of these vibrations are the most slow.

[Angrboda]

Nazi Germany didn't exist in 1921 you illiterate baboon.

What a pity Yog.
Beside being a terrible detective you also are a terrible historian.

The Nazi party was founded on the 24 February 1920 and Einstein came in the US in April 1921
so it is obvious that Einstein was already aware of the Nazi party.
Sure, Nazi Germany came after that but the seed of hatred toward Jews were already sown.
Knowing this Einstein was against Nazism and Jews in America welcome Einstein in great number.
Very little to do with Einstein as a scientist.

Yet another story which you just pulled from your ass. In November 1919, "The headline of The Times of London read, “Revolution in Science—New Theory of the Universe—Newton’s Ideas Overthrown—Momentous Pronouncement—Space ‘Warped.’”" in relation to the momentous confirmation of Einstein's theories.

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And in relation to his coming to New York in relation to the World Zionist Organization, Einstein writes:

"Long before the emergence of Hitler I made the cause of Zionism mine because through it I saw a means of correcting a flagrant wrong....The Jewish people alone has for centuries been in the anomalous position of being victimized and hounded as a people, though bereft of all the rights and protections which even the smallest people normally has...Zionism offered the means of ending this discrimination. Through the return to the land to which they were bound by close historic ties...Jews sought to abolish their pariah status among peoples... The advent of Hitler underscored with a savage logic all the disastrous implications contained in the abnormal situation in which Jews found themselves. Millions of Jews perished... because there was no spot on the globe where they could find sanctuary...The Jewish survivors demand the right to dwell amid brothers, on the ancient soil of their fathers."
~ Letter to Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India, June 13, 1947 [emphasis mine]

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More on Einstein's views relative to the rise of Hitler. Note that this all occurred nearly ten years after his 1921 visit to New York.

The Nazis and WWII

The atrocities of Nazi Germany began well before the first shots of World War II were fired in 1939. Adolf Hitler became chancellor of Germany in 1933, and five weeks later, the Nazis established their first concentration camp. In 1935, the Nazis issued the Nuremberg Laws: "racial purity" laws that stripped German Jews of their citizenship. Violence broke out in November 1938, when Nazis destroyed Jewish businesses, homes, hospitals, and synagogues, killed nearly 100 and arrested some 30,000 Jewish men in what came to be known as Kristallnacht. By 1939, 300,000 Jewish refugees had fled Nazi controlled territories. By the war's end in 1945, six million Jews and millions of other victims had died in the Holocaust.

Einstein learned of the tragic events unfolding in his former country from his new home in the United States. Only a decade earlier, he had argued passionately against war. But now Einstein recognized that war was the only option.
The Struggle to Defeat Hitler

A Call for Action

The rise of Nazism in Germany during the 1930s—and the conviction that Hitler could be defeated only by military force—prompted Einstein rethink his strict pacifist views. Increasing numbers of Jewish refugees were fleeing Germany, bringing with them horrific tales of Nazi persecution; Einstein, who was also Jewish, left for the United States in 1932.

The American Museum Of Natural History: The Nazis and WWII [emphasis mine]

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And more about his fame:

After the war, two expeditions were sent to test Einstein’s prediction of deflected starlight near the Sun. One set sail for the island of Principe, off the coast of West Africa, and the other to Sobral in northern Brazil in order to observe the solar eclipse of May 29, 1919. On November 6 the results were announced in London at a joint meeting of the Royal Society and the Royal Astronomical Society.

Nobel laureate J.J. Thomson, president of the Royal Society, stated: "This result is not an isolated one, it is a whole continent of scientific ideas.…This is the most important result obtained in connection with the theory of gravitation since Newton’s day, and it is fitting that it should be announced at a meeting of the Society so closely connected with him."

The headline of The Times of London read, “Revolution in Science—New Theory of the Universe—Newton’s Ideas Overthrown—Momentous Pronouncement—Space ‘Warped.’” Almost immediately, Einstein became a world-renowned physicist, the successor to Isaac Newton.

Invitations came pouring in for him to speak around the world. In 1921 Einstein began the first of several world tours, visiting the United States, England, Japan, and France. Everywhere he went, the crowds numbered in the thousands. En route from Japan, he received word that he had received the Nobel Prize for Physics [...]

Encyclopedia Britannica: Albert Einstein [emphasis mine]

Note that Einstein's scientific ideas made the headline of the London Times in November 1919, two years before his tour of New York.



As usual, you're wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Succubus]

Ever you ever heard about that old saying.......Never sell the bear's skin before one has killed the beast......

A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way.

[Cyberman]

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

[Little Rik]

Yes, Rik, Einstein was concerned about the rise of anti-Semitism and traveled to the U.S. to raise support for a Jewish center of learning on behalf of his friend Weizmann, as well as to deliver a number of addresses to universities and scientific societies. But you're missing the point. The reason his voice was seen as valuable on that issue was because of his celebrity; he was world famous, having been awarded the Nobel Prize for physics that very year. He wasn't widely known for Jewish or Zionist activism. He was known for his scientific achievements, and it was his fame for those accomplishments that gave him the high public profile he used to address other matters.

It doesn't change a thing, or matter in the least, that few of the people who lined the streets actually understood his work. The press had written extensively about him and people who didn't understand a thing about special or general relativity "knew" that his work was considered revolutionary. I dare say that most of them flocked to see him because they had been told that he had fundamentally changed the way we understand the universe -- not because he was going to solicit support for Weizmann's project. Hell, he was as famous, in his way, as Babe Ruth was!

I can't speak for my grandparents, who might well have been too young in 1921 to have noted Einstein's visit halfway across the country, but I'd be surprised if my great-grandparents had been unaware of his visit, since it was widely reported. Did they understand his work? I doubt it. But they sure as hell wouldn't have known of him because he was going to give an address on behalf of a Zionist organization.

Stick to your metaphysical cant. It's where your true 'talent' lies.

You may take that last word in both senses.

That is bizarre Cross.
You say...............It doesn't change a thing, or matter in the least, that few of the people who lined the streets actually understood his work.......

It certainly does matter Cross.
That is my very point from which all the chaos about Einstein started between me and you guys.
Didn't I said that Einstein in 1921 when he got in America wasn't known as great?
And as great I mean about his important work not great as he was eulogized by the media and the
few people who were fully aware of his scientific discoveries.
And didn't I asked you guys whether your fathers or grand father knew about Einstein theory of relativity?
You yourself admitted that is unlikely that your father or grand father knew about it that is why
I was spot on in saying that people who greet Einstein knew little of nothing about the meaning of his theory and his work in general and therefore he was little known in general.

Just try to guess Cross.
What you reckon would be the percentage of people on planet earth who really knew about his scientific discoveries before his death?
1% maybe?
No, not even that that is why I said that during his life he was little known.
What is the point in having Einstein put in the seat of great personality by the media when 99,9% of the people wouldn't have a clue about his important work?

It is a bit like religious people who put Christ in the throne of heaven when in fact 99,9% of people haven't got a clue what Christ is and was all about.  

In order to say this or that chap is great you got to understand why is great and the masses that greet Einstein did not that is why I said that he was not know as great.

Capisci?  

[Little Rik]

You must have loss your reading glasses son.
But no worry mate.
LR is here to help.

Let us see what that paper say................
It say that several thousand of persons came to greet Einstein which was noted for his theory of relativity.......blah blah blah .....
It didn't say that the people came to greet him because of this.
In fact if you keep on reading a bit further it say that Einstein came with aIt doesn't change a thing, or matter in the least, that few of the people who lined the streets actually understood his work. delegation in order to enlist support of all elements of American Jewry for the world Zionist organisation ........blah blah blah......

You utter fucking moron.  You'll keep digging around until you find something you can interpret as supporting your ideas.  That's nothing but rank stinking confirmation bias.  The Nazi party wasn't opposed by world Jewry until later on than its founding, which was 1920-21.  ("Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities, and in the 1930s the party's focus shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes." ~ Wikipedia.)  And the World Zionist Organization was founded in 1897 with the stated goal of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.  Nothing whatsoever to do with Nazi Germany at that point, as there was no Nazi Germany at that point.  The Beer Hall Putsch,  the Nazi party's first grab at power didn't even occur until 1923. ("The Beer Hall Putsch, also known as the Munich Putsch, and, in German, as the Hitlerputsch or Hitler-Ludendorff-Putsch, was a failed coup attempt by the Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler — along with Generalquartiermeister Erich Ludendorff and other Kampfbund leaders — to seize power in Munich, Bavaria, during 8–9 November 1923." ~ Wikipedia)  The paper says quite plainly, "noted German scientist."  Only someone with an agenda to prove could mistake that as claiming that he was noted for being a Jew rather than a scientist.

It's clear that you know dick about world history, but don't let that stop you from making absurd claims about the history of Zionism and the Nazi party.

"Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning." ~ Wikipedia [emphasis mine]

You reason with an agenda, which is the basis of confirmation bias, thus you come to erroneous conclusions.  You'd make a shitty detective because you latch onto a theory and then attempt to bend all the evidence to fit that theory.  Thus you fail.  You start with your conclusion and only look at things which support your conclusion.  You completely ignore things that don't fit your conclusion, like you did above with Einstein.

Your original statement, "In most cases people who do great things become famous only after their death never during their lifetime so during his life our Einstein was little known and in any case not regarded as a great great brain as we know him today.  In this way very few people knew him as great [...]" was completely wrong.  Einstein was famous, and he was famous as a scientist, not simply as a Jew.  So now we see that not only are you misinterpreting Nazi history to twist it to your own ends, you're not anywhere close to what you originally claimed.  You're just a schmuck, reasoning with an agenda, and getting it all wrong.

You'll twist and turn every which way to avoid admitting that you were wrong.  That's because you have no integrity, and are intellectually dishonest.  You don't reason toward the truth.  You reason towards conclusions that you've already convinced yourself about long before any actual search for evidence.  In this way, you only confirm what you already believe, but you do so in error.

Why would you come up with all this load of stuff that got little or nothing to do with the point I was making?
The point was all about Einstein that came to America to enlist support of all elements of American Jewry for the world Zionist organisation and the people who greet him in 1921 were there for this reason not
much to great Einstein as a great scientist considering that these people wouldn't even understand what the theory of relativity is (was) all about.
Back to sleep Yog.  

Now, if you're done fucking over the truth of history for your own personal gain, do you have any actual evidence for the load of shit you spewed in this thread earlier.  In case you've forgotten.....

It is all about pure consciousness that in order to create need to engage so to speak in a stage of metamorphosis.
Metamorphosis is change.
Change her 100% pure consciousness into a less aware consciousness.
How?
The universe is made of vibrations and according the frequency of these vibrations the various fundamental factors come into existence.
So it is obvious that a sequence into the creation of the 5 fundamental factor take place according the
frequency of these vibrations.
The first to come into existence is the etherial factor that we can better explain as the space and the last is the matter in which the frequencies of these vibrations are the most slow.

You are asking for too too much Yog.
How can a fool like you that think that the matter is something dead understand anything about vibration?
Impossible.
First you got to realize that the energy change into other form of energy.
And this happen all the time.
This process of transformation is called metamorphosis.
Nothing is dead.
Matter is not dead.
As you are alive when you sleep also in the latent form of energy known as the matter there is life.



http://pathofbliss.blogspot.com.au/2011/...olour.html

[Silver]

http://pathofbliss.blogspot.com.au/2011/...olour.html

A personal blog depicting new age rubbish. Hardly a credible source.

[Angrboda]

Your original statement, "In most cases people who do great things become famous only after their death never during their lifetime so during his life our Einstein was little known and in any case not regarded as a great great brain as we know him today.  In this way very few people knew him as great [...]" was completely wrong.  Einstein was famous, and he was famous as a scientist, not simply as a Jew.  So now we see that not only are you misinterpreting Nazi history to twist it to your own ends, you're not anywhere close to what you originally claimed.  You're just a schmuck, reasoning with an agenda, and getting it all wrong.

Why would you come up with all this load of stuff that got little or nothing to do with the point I was making?
The point was all about Einstein that came to America to enlist support of all elements of American Jewry for the world Zionist organisation and the people who greet him in 1921 were there for this reason not
much to great Einstein as a great scientist considering that these people wouldn't even understand what the theory of relativity is (was) all about.
Back to sleep Yog.  

You're full of crap, as this quote from Britannica shows:

After the war, two expeditions were sent to test Einstein’s prediction of deflected starlight near the Sun. One set sail for the island of Principe, off the coast of West Africa, and the other to Sobral in northern Brazil in order to observe the solar eclipse of May 29, 1919. On November 6 the results were announced in London at a joint meeting of the Royal Society and the Royal Astronomical Society.

Nobel laureate J.J. Thomson, president of the Royal Society, stated:   "This result is not an isolated one, it is a whole continent of scientific ideas.…This is the most important result obtained in connection with the theory of gravitation since Newton’s day, and it is fitting that it should be announced at a meeting of the Society so closely connected with him."

The headline of The Times of London read, “Revolution in Science—New Theory of the Universe—Newton’s Ideas Overthrown—Momentous Pronouncement—Space ‘Warped.’” Almost immediately, Einstein became a world-renowned physicist, the successor to Isaac Newton.

Invitations came pouring in for him to speak around the world. In 1921 Einstein began the first of several world tours, visiting the United States, England, Japan, and France. Everywhere he went, the crowds numbered in the thousands. En route from Japan, he received word that he had received the Nobel Prize for Physics [...]

Encyclopedia Britannica:  Albert Einstein [emphasis mine]

Now, if you're done fucking over the truth of history for your own personal gain, do you have any actual evidence for the load of shit you spewed in this thread earlier.  In case you've forgotten.....

It is all about pure consciousness that in order to create need to engage so to speak in a stage of metamorphosis.
Metamorphosis is change.
Change her 100% pure consciousness into a less aware consciousness.
How?
The universe is made of vibrations and according the frequency of these vibrations the various fundamental factors come into existence.
So it is obvious that a sequence into the creation of the 5 fundamental factor take place according the
frequency of these vibrations.
The first to come into existence is the etherial factor that we can better explain as the space and the last is the matter in which the frequencies of these vibrations are the most slow.

You are asking for too too much Yog.
How can a fool like you that think that the matter is something dead understand anything about vibration?
Impossible.
First you got to realize that the energy change into other form of energy.
And this happen all the time.
This process of transformation is called metamorphosis.
Nothing is dead.
Matter is not dead.
As you are alive when you sleep also in the latent form of energy known as the matter there is life.



http://pathofbliss.blogspot.com.au/2011/...olour.html

You quote Ananda Marga crap to prove Ananda Marga crap.  How fucking stupid.  This is nothing but a page full of groundless assertions.  
You've gone from bad evidence to something that's worthless as evidence.  What the fuck is wrong with your brain?

Now consider this vast universe. What is the characteristic of this universe? The universe is the psychic manifestation of the Macrocosm: His mind stuff is the universe, which we call the visible world. How did this Brahmic Citta come into being? The Citta is the static result of mental action. The apparently static or stationary entity that comes into being, as opposed to those entities influenced by the sentient (sattva) and mutative (rajah) forces, is created by the static force (tamah) of Prakrti – which, whether it is original or born of saḿskáras (past momenta), is nothing else but citta. The characteristic of the static force is to give form, to create or evolve resultants, to bring inertness or staticity. So citta, the resultative place of he mind, is dominated by the static force and takes the form of objects in the external world or objects created by the mind.

Wherever there is form, it is of momentary duration and of limited demarcation. The same holds true for the Cosmic Citta also. Hirańyagarbha or the Subjective Entity of the subtle Cosmic Mind is superlatively vast and in this way evolves the different fundamental factors. So His mental plate is also limitless, but however great its manifestation, it does have a shape. There is an aura of thought-waves revolving around the Cosmic Nucleus or Puruśottama, the nucleus of the Saguńa Brahma, as the result of which energy particles are created. The five fundamental factors – ethereal, aerial, luminous, liquid and solid – are the sequential metamorphoses of these energy particles, so this quinquelemental cycle is the resultant of the Cosmic thought-cycle; but this thought-cycle, too is the resultant of pure consciousness. Every revolution of that cycle is the playful manifestation of Prakrti that produces vibration sometimes in consciousness, sometimes in thoughts, sometimes in energy and sometimes in the so-called inanimate objects.

Pure crap. Not a speck of evidence.

[TheoneandonlytrueGod]

After so many years that most of you guys praise science as the panacea to human problems
now is time to show that you know something about science.

Here are three of the very basic questions.

1) In the existence of this universe of ours in which order the fundamental factors came.
The matter, the water, the light-energy, the air or the space?
(Did the matter came first or last and what about the other factors?)

2) And why one factor came first and the next follow?

3) What is the best way to understand how the above universal factors are positioned or arranged?

Remember that I did not say anything about a creator so let us concentrate on science alone.

You just don't give up do you? Your convoluted logic, or lack there of, is too much to stomach. If you want to believe all that claptrap you spout, fine, have it it but if you are trying to convince us of the idiocy of your statements you have another thought coming.