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Consciousness Quadlemma!
#21
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
(May 25, 2017 at 8:54 am)Alex K Wrote:
(May 25, 2017 at 2:56 am)Luckie Wrote: No but I wish we'd hunt undocumented Russian foreign agents in this country as fervently as Americans did the communists back in the day! :]

No need to go all McCarthy and hunt them. It's entirely sufficient if POTUS and entourage don't actively help them.


Or, after it turns out scum buckets-Trump already has actively helped the Ruskies, could we at least reach agreement that he shouldn't be able to profit from it?  Surely we can find a bar low enough even the fat dumbass can get over it.
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#22
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
Luckie, no need to ever apologise for changing tracks in a thread.
It's what keeps it alive.

I'm just waiting for someone to start a pentalemma thread of some sort!
(this could catch on like the "Ask a" threads...)
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#23
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
(May 26, 2017 at 12:24 am)ignoramus Wrote: Luckie, no need to ever apologise for changing tracks in a thread.
It's what keeps it alive.

I'm just waiting for someone to start a pentalemma thread of some sort!
(this could catch on like the "Ask a" threads...)

Ask a Possible Serial Killer...
Dying to live, living to die.
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#24
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
(May 26, 2017 at 12:29 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(May 26, 2017 at 12:24 am)ignoramus Wrote: Luckie, no need to ever apologise for changing tracks in a thread.
It's what keeps it alive.

I'm just waiting for someone to start a pentalemma thread of some sort!
(this could catch on like the "Ask a" threads...)

Ask a Possible Serial Killer...

I'll ask the first dirty ambiguous question.
"What's your position on serial killers?"

I mean where do you stand?
We know Vorls stands facing the prison shower walls....
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#25
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
(May 26, 2017 at 12:39 am)ignoramus Wrote:
(May 26, 2017 at 12:29 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Ask a Possible Serial Killer...

I'll ask the first dirty ambiguous question.
"What's your position on serial killers?"

I mean where do you stand?
We know Vorls stands facing the prison shower walls....

With serials killers I stand where I stand on the electric chair...


...right next to the switch.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#26
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
What about serial Catholic child rapists! Would you kill or show mercy and castrate.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#27
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
(May 26, 2017 at 12:43 am)ignoramus Wrote: What about serial Catholic child rapists! Would you kill or show mercy and castrate.

Castrated.

Tied in a chair.

Locked in a room.

Left alone for two hours with the families of their victims.

Edited to add: this applies to ANY child molesters. Not just Catholics.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#28
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
(May 26, 2017 at 12:24 am)ignoramus Wrote: I'm just waiting for someone to start a pantalemma thread of some sort!

Then you need to check out A69 Naughty

Although , I'm a little worried that with so many people keen on philosophy on this board, no-one seems to be interested in my sig Sad
Sum ergo sum
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#29
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
(May 26, 2017 at 5:56 am)Ben Davis Wrote: Although , I'm a little worried that with so many people keen on philosophy on this board, no-one seems to be interested in my sig  Sad

Your sig translates to "I am therefore I am" but it is essentially saying "I am what I am" which is a tautology thereby making the "therefore" aspect redundant. Satisfied? Tongue

"I think therefore I am" means "My thinking presupposes my existence and I already know I am thinking therefore I must know that I am existing."... so it has a little more depth Tongue

But... it is true that "I think therefore I am" requires "I am what I am" but it also requires "I think what I think" and "being is being" and "thinking is thinking" so basically... the law of identity is even more fundamental than both cogito ergo sum and sum ergo sum.

Satisfied yet? Big Grin

The law of identity or "A=A" can be described in English as "a thing is whatever that thing is".

Now let me just use Google translate to translate "a thing whatever that thing is" to Latin for ya--

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"Quidquid sit aliquid"

There ya go... your new sig. That's genuinely Latin (according to Google translate) for "a thing is whatever that thing is".

Quidquid sit aliquid.

I think it's rather amusing because to us British folk a quid=£1. So surely "quidquid"= £1 + £1 or in other words... £2?

And "sit" is obviously... "sit". As in sitting down.

"aliquid"? Well surely that's a typo... it meant "a liquid".

So basically... the law of identity is having £2 in one hand while you sit on a chair with a glass of water in the other hand Tongue (I added in the chair, the glass and the fact the liquid was water purely for comic effect.... bah okay I call it "comic effect" but what I really mean is "fundamental silliness").

LOL joke I just find it amusing.

But seriously your new sig should be

"Quidquid sit aliquid" Tongue Which is... "A thing is whatever that thing is". Because that's the most fundamental truth in the universe... it's very truth is presupposed when we know that the most fundamentally known fact of the universe is our own consciousness... because even to know that we have to know that consciousness=consciousness. To experience it we don't have to know that... but to know we are experiencing it we have to know that. Unless we deem the mere experiencing of something to be worthy of the term "knowledge". I wouldn't say so.

(But the fact I differentiate between the most certainly known fact in the universe and the most fundamental truth in the universe is only because I consider truths and facts to be a little different...... it's the whole analytic/synthetic truth dichotomy. The whole... truths of reasoning/truths of fact... dichotomy.... the whole a priori/a posteriori dichotomy Tongue... ala Leibniz and Kant)

Satisfied now or have I gone overboard with my philosophical babble? Tongue
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#30
RE: Consciousness Quadlemma!
You went a lil overboard Hammie. Is okay though Heart
You're sharp!

BEN DAVIS WHAT THE HELL MAN? WHERE ARE MY BISCUITS??????????????
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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