What do scientists say about existence?

[bennyboy]

Craig is a "philosopher" who denies the Number Zero:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/William_Lan...umber_Zero

Why should Dawkins debate him?

As for the Universe and existence, watch the debate between Professor Sean Carroll and Craig -- maybe the Cosmos is simply eternal, beginningless and endless?

To me, Dawkins debating Craig would be akin to me debating the finer points of my job with a moron wielding a plastic spork.

I don't think so.

Craig is a lot better at what he does than atheists give him credit for.  And he's a very useful person to have around, because if you can best Craig, I mean really put him down, then you can announce that religion is formally dead.

[The Valkyrie]

To me, Dawkins debating Craig would be akin to me debating the finer points of my job with a moron wielding a plastic spork.

I don't think so.

Craig is a lot better at what he does than atheists give him credit for.  And he's a very useful person to have around, because if you can best Craig, I mean really put him down, then you can announce that religion is formally dead.

Are we talking about the same Craig here?

[bennyboy]

Are we talking about the same Craig here?

Yep, I'm pretty sure. Anyone who thinks Craig is just a throwaway should go try to debate him. I'm not saying he's got a good position, but as far as Christians go, he's one of the best at trying to defend a very difficult position.

[ignoramus]

. . . the hell just happened?

She's trying to show the OP how he sounds like to us? Nice.

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[Jehanne]

Are we talking about the same Craig here?

Yep, I'm pretty sure.  Anyone who thinks Craig is just a throwaway should go try to debate him.  I'm not saying he's got a good position, but as far as Christians go, he's one of the best at trying to defend a very difficult position.

I suppose that a position that is intrinsically not true is one that is difficult to defend!

In any case, Professor Sean Carroll took Craig to the mat:

[Mister Agenda]

Mariosep's writing is like a fingerprint. He's been haunting atheist-oriented forums for a very long time. I can't recall what name I first saw him under, but I remember it was a regular name spelled backwards, like Yrral, or Gerg or Yrrab. Mariosep is an improvement as far as user handles go, at least.

[LostLocke]

Mariosep's writing is like a fingerprint. He's been haunting atheist-oriented forums for a very long time. I can't recall what name I first saw him under, but I remember it was a regular name spelled backwards, like Yrral, or Gerg or Yrrab. Mariosep is an improvement as far as user handles go, at least.

Peso Iram?

[Jehanne]

Mariosep's writing is like a fingerprint. He's been haunting atheist-oriented forums for a very long time. I can't recall what name I first saw him under, but I remember it was a regular name spelled backwards, like Yrral, or Gerg or Yrrab. Mariosep is an improvement as far as user handles go, at least.

He has said nothing of significance, just recycled ID crap mixed-in with 18th-century natural theology.  Some people, it would seem, want to live in the past.  WLC should be teleported back to the 15th-century in the middle of Florence, Italy.

[bennyboy]

I suppose that a position that is intrinsically not true is one that is difficult to defend!

That's a can of worms you're opening there.

Craig's view of God, at least as he uses it in debates with atheists, is purely metaphysical. Metaphysical views are extremely hard to subject to truth examination, pretty much by definition-- if it was explainable with observation, it wouldn't metaphysics, it would just be new physical discovery.

So to say that his position is "intrinsically no true" is overstepping the truth of it, I think. Few atheists claim that no God could exist; more say that specific definitions of God can't be true, and the evidence doesn't support others."

[Mariosep]

Dear Brewer, from the start you have been into evasiveness, namely, you have not said anything about existence, much less about what scientists say about existence.

And you don't because you are into the instinct of continuous evasiveness as a stratagem to not have to come to the issue itself systematically, God exists or not.

Systematic treatment requires us all to first work together as to concur on what is existence, that is why I am inviting everyone to contribute his thoughts on what is existence, including scientists, then we will work to concur on what is the concept of God I am propounding the existence of, and you are denying the existence of.

You see, Brewer, I am telling you and all atheists, you have no guts to take up the issue systematically, but you dwell stubbornly in evasiveness, because that is the way to keep safe in your un-intelligent embrace of the identity of atheist.

Okay, show yourself to be into the issue itself of God exists or not, with first contributing your concept of what is existence.

Dear readers and atheists here, you also all think up what is existence and present it here, and we will work out a mutually agreed on concept of what is existence, otherwise we are irrational talking past each other's head.

Here is again my concept of what is existence plus four examples:

Post #12 RE: What do scientists say about existence?
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  This is an invitation for us all who are keen to know what is existence, what is a scientist, and does God exist, God from my part, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning, for us all to collaborate to resolve the meanings of existence, scientist, and God.

  From my part, existence is the reality which reality is the object of a living man having awareness, i.e. being conscious of his experiencing the presence of the said object.

  An example of existence is our nose.

  Another example of existence is the computer monitor screen we are looking at to read this post.

  A third example of existence is the rose in our flower garden.

  A fourth example of existence is the sun in the day sky and the moon in the night sky.

  What do you say, guys here: Do you have your idea of what is existence?

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RE: What do scientists say about existence?
Yesterday, 03:34 Brewer
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Been here all along, it's fun to read your delusional idiocy.

You claim god is the creator and therefore exists, well then prove it. god existing as a "concept" is a fantasy delusion, a non supportable product of the mind, no more believable than superman or santa.

Congratulations, you bought into a fantasy delusion that is even not of your making. Other men made it and it sucked you in. Poor insecure delusional twit that you are.
God(s) and religions are man made and the bane of humanity.

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Ozzy or Twain/take your pick
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There, I have finished all the new posts here in my thread, and thank you so much, it is really a joyful sigh from me that you all react to my posts, no matter that you also hurl harsh language on me.

But I am terribly disappointed because you none of you have presented what is your thinking on your own very personally thought up and written out concept of what is existence, perhaps you are not accustomed to do genuine thinking at all.

Still it is not too late to start the custom of genuine thinking, grounded on observation and guided by truths, facts, logic, and the best thoughts of mankind from since the dawn of conscious reason.

Now, I am telling you again that you are into what I call:

Acquired Intelligence Deficiency Syndrome.

I beg of you, put away that acquisition, and now at this point at least in time, THINK INTELLIGENTLY on the words from Stimbo below I put in bold, and see how un-intelligent she speaks, though she feels so smug with having said something, Oh so abysmally deep, deep: that in the process she forgot to read it again after first draft, and I have always taught my students, When you write something always read it again carefully to see if everything in it is intelligent.


See you guys all again tomorrow



PS
Dear real powers that be here in this forum website, thanks that I am here again, for I thought that I was banned forever, and I just the day before yesterday had to look up a forum to do writing in, because the Debate.org was down indefinitely for mysterious factors, and even when I deleted all its cookies, still it was down to my internet service provider.

Thanks, because now I recall Stimbo was the one who it seemed then kept me out here.

I hope this note here does not stir up some parties here to get me boycotted out again.

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RE: What do scientists say about existence?
Yesterday, 03:52

Nobody cares what scientists say about anything. All that matters is what the science says.


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