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RE: What do scientists say about existence?
July 19, 2017 at 11:05 am
Let's see. On the 3rd day, God created grass, herbs, and fruit trees. But angiosperms don't appear before dinosaurs. It was mosses and ferns and gymnosperms for hundreds of millions of years before that. Then the sun, moon, and stars on the fourth day...criminy, how can anyone think this is the same order of events discovered by science? Aquatic life, including whales, and birds on the 5th day...as has been pointed out, cetaceans didn't inhabit the ocean until long after land animals had developed, and birds certainly did not come before land animals either. On the sixth day we get insects, which should have preceded the whales and birds, land animals, and people. The people by over 400 million years.
Compare that with the evolutionary timeline: cell precursors, single-celled organisms, multi-celled organisms, simple plants, fish and insects, amphibians, reptiles, flowering plants and dinosaurs, mammals, birds, and leading to us; early primates, monkeys, apes, hominids, and finally modern humans.
It's understandable why an iron-age culture would get the order wrong. It's baffling that an information age person would think they got it right.
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RE: What do scientists say about existence?
July 19, 2017 at 11:41 am
(July 17, 2017 at 11:59 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (July 4, 2017 at 3:15 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: The fact that there is no evidence to corroborate your interpretation of genesis and the fact that the sequences are out of order, probably don't bother you?
For instance, mammals first evolved on land. Aquatic mammals didn't come first.
The water cycle was probably established quite early on based on isotopic evidence from the Jack Hills zircons
There were no continental landmasses on the early earth. The world was basically one big "ocean basin" early on. You didn't get continents for billions of years
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TheBeardedDude Even evolution theory recognizes that land mammals returned to the sea. Why did marine mammals go back to the sea? http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/ocean-gia...tion/7577/
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Water cycle is listed early (above).
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Continental landmasses - likewise listed early.
Um .. maybe sea mammals have fallen away from god's plan? They're in rebellion like Satan. But then, what are you gonna do? Give a mammal free will and, you know, fuck you god!
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RE: What do scientists say about existence?
July 19, 2017 at 1:22 pm
(This post was last modified: July 19, 2017 at 1:30 pm by TheBeardedDude.)
(July 18, 2017 at 6:23 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (July 18, 2017 at 10:52 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote: I don't know WTF you think you're saying in this case that contradicts what I said in my reply. Do you seriously think I don't know about the return to water by land mammals? (hint: I do and that is the reason I worded my reply the way I did with respect to mammals) Well then, you agree with my posted sequence.
6. Produced swarms of small sea animals.
7. Created birds and sea mammals.
8. Created land mammals capable of interacting with the future human race which included bi-pedal mammals as Neanderthals (non-spirit hominid - as is all mammals; and consequently have no existence after bodily death).
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The fact that there is no evidence to corroborate your interpretation of genesis and the fact that the sequences are out of order, probably don't bother you?
For instance, mammals first evolved on land. Aquatic mammals didn't come first.
The water cycle was probably established quite early on based on isotopic evidence from the Jack Hills zircons
There were no continental landmasses on the early earth. The world was basically one big "ocean basin" early on. You didn't get continents for billions of years
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No, your sequence is erroneous and factually incorrect. Sea mammals descended from land mammals. Therefore mammals of the sea CAN'T come before land mammals.
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RE: What do scientists say about existence?
July 19, 2017 at 3:08 pm
(July 19, 2017 at 1:22 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: (July 18, 2017 at 6:23 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Well then, you agree with my posted sequence.
6. Produced swarms of small sea animals.
7. Created birds and sea mammals.
8. Created land mammals capable of interacting with the future human race which included bi-pedal mammals as Neanderthals (non-spirit hominid - as is all mammals; and consequently have no existence after bodily death).
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The fact that there is no evidence to corroborate your interpretation of genesis and the fact that the sequences are out of order, probably don't bother you?
For instance, mammals first evolved on land. Aquatic mammals didn't come first.
The water cycle was probably established quite early on based on isotopic evidence from the Jack Hills zircons
There were no continental landmasses on the early earth. The world was basically one big "ocean basin" early on. You didn't get continents for billions of years
Cheers
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No, your sequence is erroneous and factually incorrect. Sea mammals descended from land mammals. Therefore mammals of the sea CAN'T come before land mammals. Okay, I see what you mean, the way I stated was incomplete. Actually My #8 was meant to convey domesticated animals that can serve mankind more directly then wild animals. Sorry for the confusion.
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RE: What do scientists say about existence?
July 19, 2017 at 9:19 pm
snowtracks, I don't see the point of all this. Are you claiming that the Bible is a champion of the idea of evolution? That seems unlikely.
And what's this about Neanderthals beings non-spirit hominids? You know that except for pure Africans, we are all part Neanderthal, right? Does that mean that our spirits are incomplete?
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RE: What do scientists say about existence?
July 20, 2017 at 9:06 am
(July 19, 2017 at 3:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (July 19, 2017 at 1:22 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: No, your sequence is erroneous and factually incorrect. Sea mammals descended from land mammals. Therefore mammals of the sea CAN'T come before land mammals. Okay, I see what you mean, the way I stated was incomplete. Actually My #8 was meant to convey domesticated animals that can serve mankind more directly then wild animals. Sorry for the confusion.
That still makes no sense
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RE: What do scientists say about existence?
July 20, 2017 at 10:59 am
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Domesticated animals weren't "created"......not even by the remotest stretch of the imagination or the most threadbare term of art. The clue lies in the first word.........
"God" not only gets the order of creation wrong...an event that he was ostensibly present for...he then fails to secure the most basic provision for the sustenance of his favored species, leaving them to stumble around for hudreds of thousands of years until..just a blink ago in deep time, they finally get fed up with that bullshit - yoke some oxen, and grow some grass to chew on. It's amusing that man only seems to have begun to imagine that a creator who made them loved them after they had made their own earthly paradise by the sweat of their brow. Knowing little to nothing of their own history, the mistake is easily understood. How did they end up with all these animals to serve them and all of this food to eat...indeed....
An informative clue as to both the culture and timeframe that this creation myth arises from is that their status was conceptualized as a curse, wherein man would toil in misery., with the weeds and thorns rising up to bite him while his wife nagged on in perpetuity. Wherein the farmer was the lesser of the two brothers, who had murdered his divinely favored goatfucking sibling, and then gone on to build the worlds great cities.
No one other than a plainly ignorant and uncivilized cattle culture left behind after the dawn of ag would have made this shit up.
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