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Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
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RE: Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
(October 8, 2010 at 1:48 pm)theophilus Wrote: being attracted to others of the same sex is just on manifestation of a condition that everyone experiences.
If I'm attracted to the whole image of a man and a woman experiencing each other in all their intimate glory, does that make me sinful, or am I merely enjoying the wonderment of God's creation?
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RE: Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
(October 8, 2010 at 1:48 pm)theophilus Wrote: All of us are tempted in different ways and being attracted to others of the same sex is just on manifestation of a condition that everyone experiences.

So being attracted to a person of the same sex is the same as a straight person being attracted to a straight person? And as long as they don't act on the temptation, they have not sinned? It's almost as if gay people were uniquely selected to have a specific and additional "condition" placed on them that makes them doubly susceptible to sin: first, they have to deal with sexual temptations like everyone, but secondly, the fruition of that temptation itself is sinful. Thus, believers talk a lot about "overcoming" homosexuality, as on this site, and that it's an "identity problem." As a part of the site says, "God did create me to be heterosexual, and through Jesus Christ my heterosexuality is restored." I suppose that's why this Idarwin and many others have so many painful experiences of trying to right what they have known about themselves since a young age and what they learn in church. How contemptible.

(October 8, 2010 at 1:48 pm)theophilus Wrote: Here is a good place to learn about homosexuality from a Biblical perspective:

http://www.exodusinternational.org/

"Learning" would be an overstatement. Reading about how believers attempt so many doctrinal acrobatic tricks to try to right what we know from science might be more accurate.
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RE: Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
Welcome Idarwin.
I was at church a few weeks ago and for the first time ever, a pastor talked about homosexuality, he didnt condem, dare I say, he used the four letter word which would of got him a lot of hate mail - love.

Anyways I challenge you that you dont hate God or think he is imiginary, you just hate the church game.

God created you as a homosexual
Why would God do that?
God is not real

Most Atheists do the same thing.

God sends people to hell for eternity
I cant imagine a God who would do that
Therefore God does not exist

I nearly did the same thing

God hasnt really been there for me or for others in my life
God should be, as it says in the Bible
Therefore, a transcendent God does not exist

We all go through rough patches mate, its life...
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.

You dont hate God, you hate the church game.

"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine

Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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RE: Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
(October 8, 2010 at 1:48 pm)theophilus Wrote:
(October 7, 2010 at 4:58 pm)ldarwin Wrote: I am, and always have been, a very logical person. I love logic, math, science, ect... And logically, I couldn't figure out why this good loving God would make me gay.
If you are familiar with the Bible you should know that the human race is no longer in the condition in which God created it. Because of sin we are now subject to death and are tempted to act in ways that are contrary to God's will. All of us are tempted in different ways and being attracted to others of the same sex is just on manifestation of a condition that everyone experiences.

I don't know what your church taught you but while the Bible condemns homosexual activity it doesn't ever say that being tempted to such activity is a sin. Here is a good place to learn about homosexuality from a Biblical perspective:

http://www.exodusinternational.org/
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RE: Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
Welcome to the forum Idarwin!!

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RE: Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
(October 9, 2010 at 2:59 am)solja247 Wrote: Welcome Idarwin.
I was at church a few weeks ago and for the first time ever, a pastor talked about homosexuality, he didnt condem, dare I say, he used the four letter word which would of got him a lot of hate mail - love.

Anyways I challenge you that you dont hate God or think he is imiginary, you just hate the church game.

God created you as a homosexual
Why would God do that?
God is not real

Most Atheists do the same thing.

God sends people to hell for eternity
I cant imagine a God who would do that
Therefore God does not exist

That's not quite right. The conclusion would be 'Either God's a bastard, or doesn't exist.' The latter option is more intellectually tenable.

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RE: Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
Good for you! Smile

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RE: Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
Quote:That's not quite right. The conclusion would be 'Either God's a bastard, or doesn't exist.' The latter option is more intellectually tenable.

How is either intellectual?

I could say aliens dont exist, which means, 'Im too niave and close minded to believe they exist.'

Just because I dont have evidence for God's existence doesnt mean He doesnt exist...
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.

You dont hate God, you hate the church game.

"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine

Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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RE: Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
(October 10, 2010 at 6:29 pm)solja247 Wrote: Just because I dont have evidence for God's existence doesnt mean He doesnt exist...

Doesn't mean he exists either.

Just because I don't have evidence for Santa's existance doesn't mean he doesn't exist.... Tongue
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Lifelong Christian had to face the facts
(October 10, 2010 at 6:35 pm)Ace Wrote:
(October 10, 2010 at 6:29 pm)solja247 Wrote: Just because I dont have evidence for God's existence doesnt mean He doesnt exist...

Doesn't mean he exists either.

Just because I don't have evidence for Santa's existance doesn't mean he doesn't exist.... Tongue

Just because I don't have evidence for <Insert ANY fictional character name here> existence doesn't mean he doesn't exist.... Tongue
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