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Peculiar Lamentation
#61
RE: Peculiar Lamentation
(July 8, 2017 at 8:22 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(July 8, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Again your lack of biblical understanding is horrendous, the paintings are not idols, they portray a biblical event and no one is worshiping them, the artist never intend them for that use. Cherry picker.

GC

So the passage doesn't say = "Don’t make any statues or pictures of anything up in the sky or of anything on the earth or of anything down in the water."?

I see the lake of fire in your future.  Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, hates artwork.

 If God hates art then why did He give myself and others the talent of artistry, to waste, I think not. God given gifts are meant to be used.
 Again I state "cherry picker," the verses continue on from there to say do not make things to worship. The verses also refer to created things which the Egyptians and Canaanites worshiped instead of the creator. God showed His powers as the owner of creation when He brought the plagues on Egypt and caused Pharaoh to release His people. You see this is easy when you look for the whole truth instead of cherry picking something to make your truth, which isn't truth at all.

GC

(July 8, 2017 at 8:29 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(July 8, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Again your lack of biblical understanding is horrendous, the paintings are not idols, they portray a biblical event and no one is worshiping them, the artist never intend them for that use. Cherry picker.

GC

And you don't have one of these (or something very similar) in your church? Your House? Maybe hanging on your neck? Rocking on your dashboard? 


Wow, I wasn't expecting that big. Apologies gang.

No, protestants do not believe that a picture or charm of Christ on the cross is appropriate, He is alive and well with the Father in heaven. To leave Him hanging on the cross is to be derogatory towards Him and his work for us.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#62
RE: Peculiar Lamentation
(July 10, 2017 at 3:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
(July 8, 2017 at 8:22 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: So the passage doesn't say = "Don’t make any statues or pictures of anything up in the sky or of anything on the earth or of anything down in the water."?

I see the lake of fire in your future.  Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, hates artwork.

 If God hates art then why did He give myself and others the talent of artistry, to waste, I think not. God given gifts are meant to be used.
 Again I state "cherry picker," the verses continue on from there to say do not make things to worship. The verses also refer to created things which the Egyptians and Canaanites worshiped instead of the creator. God showed His powers as the owner of creation when He brought the plagues on Egypt and caused Pharaoh to release His people. You see this is easy when you look for the whole truth instead of cherry picking something to make your truth, which isn't truth at all.

GC

(July 8, 2017 at 8:29 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: And you don't have one of these (or something very similar) in your church? Your House? Maybe hanging on your neck? Rocking on your dashboard? 


Wow, I wasn't expecting that big. Apologies gang.

No, protestants do not believe that a picture or charm of Christ on the cross is appropriate, He is alive and well with the Father in heaven. To leave Him hanging on the cross is to be derogatory towards Him and his work for us.

GC

Well he only did a weekend, Spartacus was really fucked.
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#63
RE: Peculiar Lamentation
(July 10, 2017 at 3:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote: No, protestants do not believe that a picture or charm of Christ on the cross is appropriate, He is alive and well with the Father in heaven. To leave Him hanging on the cross is to be derogatory towards Him and his work for us.

GC

Yeah, right. They are in every protestant church I've ever been in.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#64
RE: Peculiar Lamentation
(July 10, 2017 at 6:06 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(July 10, 2017 at 3:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote: No, protestants do not believe that a picture or charm of Christ on the cross is appropriate, He is alive and well with the Father in heaven. To leave Him hanging on the cross is to be derogatory towards Him and his work for us.

GC

Yeah, right. They are in every protestant church I've ever been in.

Looks like it depends to some extent on the stripe of protestant. If it's called a "cross", it doesn't have the torture porn feature. But many stripes of protestant do use a crucifix:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifix
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#65
RE: Peculiar Lamentation
(July 10, 2017 at 6:06 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(July 10, 2017 at 3:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote: No, protestants do not believe that a picture or charm of Christ on the cross is appropriate, He is alive and well with the Father in heaven. To leave Him hanging on the cross is to be derogatory towards Him and his work for us.

GC

Yeah, right. They are in every protestant church I've ever been in.

 You ever been to a Southern Baptist Church.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#66
RE: Peculiar Lamentation
(July 10, 2017 at 9:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
(July 10, 2017 at 6:06 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Yeah, right. They are in every protestant church I've ever been in.

 You ever been to a Southern Baptist Church.

GC

Based on what I've seen, sounds like you might be doing god wrong.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#67
RE: Peculiar Lamentation
The penny drops--my inspiration for the thread:

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/...92467.html

Fascinating reading if you've got the time.
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#68
RE: Peculiar Lamentation
Please excuse the thread necro, but it appears that there is now another written source referencing this piece of art. End note 11, page 27, of The Testimony of Nathan Son of Isaac Concerning Jesus of Nazareth by Ben Armhardt reads, "Although Steinberg calls no attention to it, the peculiar posture of a female mourner in an anonymous Middle Rhenish Lamentation c. 1450 (p. 170, Fig. 188) is suggestive of fellation; this may hint at that particular artist's familiarity with an unfiltered version of the Testimony."
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