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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 12, 2017 at 1:31 am
(July 12, 2017 at 12:45 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:The committee that wrote the original Bible in 692 A.D.
I'd still like to know where you are getting this stuff from?
Early 17th century by a clergy of Catholic comedians?
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 12, 2017 at 1:55 am
(July 12, 2017 at 1:00 am)Astonished Wrote: (July 12, 2017 at 12:19 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Donald's apparent distaste with women's periods is echoed in scriptures.
After her flow stops, a woman who was menstruating must count off seven days before she is considered clean again. On the eighth day, she must present two birds to the priest for an atonement for having had a menstrual discharge.
Again, how the fuck does a person's mentality accommodate the notion that it's perfectly okay for this god to condemn a person based on HIS OWN FUCKING DESIGN STRATEGY?!!!!!!!!!
God picked a bad rib so it's really Adam's fault ??
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 12, 2017 at 3:51 am
Guys, let's just stand back and come to terms with the fact that all our human problems are a result of genetic mutation.
We as an ape weren't meant to get this smart. We're too intelligent for the long term prosperity of our species.
Or for the theists: God went "POOF", now we go "BOOM". (and mother nature didn't even notice!)
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 12, 2017 at 4:52 am
(July 12, 2017 at 12:45 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:The committee that wrote the original Bible in 692 A.D.
I'd still like to know where you are getting this stuff from?
My conclusion is based on a reading of history. The three copies of the 692 A.D. Bible were the first complete Bibles ever produced. They were the master copies, written in Latin. You can't find any complete Bibles before that time. They don't exist. Those were huge, 75 pound monsters written on vellum that required 2,000 cows.
My theory, and it is only a theory, is that the Uthman committee's product of the Koran in 640 caught the Christians flatfooted. They had been getting by with oral stories for centuries. So the Christians had to catch up. They assembled a team of story tellers, writers, and artists and they raised a herd of 2,000 cows for vellum. After slaughtering the cows and processing the vellum they got to work and produced their masterpiece = a complete comprehensive illustrated collection of the oral stories in true book form written in Latin.
All other Bible versions were written after that time, which is why they are so consistent, other than maybe 2,000 minor variations and deletions.
Now think about this:
1. Do you know when the Bible got numbered chapters and verses?
2. Do you know when the "J" words (John, Judas, Jews, Jerusalem, Joshua, Joseph, etc) were introduced in the biblical stories?
3. Do you know when Yeshua became Jesus?
4. Do you know when the 14 Apocrypha books were deleted and why?
If you didn't know the answers to those basic questions what makes you think you know anything about the history of the Bible?
Remember, religion is a very big business. It has to sell the lie because it can't survive on the truth. A number of Christian and Islamic beliefs are very similar. But there are enough differences to ensure that there will never be a reconciliation between them.
The book Ben Hur was published in 1880. If the writers in 690 had the story they could have condensed it into a book in the New Testament to add credence to the idea that Yeshua had been a real person and changed people's lives. No one would have been the wiser.
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 12, 2017 at 5:59 am
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Ignoramus quote- "A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)
A bitched is someone who was born outside of wedlock..
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Whoa mate, you're quoting from the Old Testament, but if God wanted us to stick with it he wouldn't have sent Jesus to give us the New T would he?
Jesus was quite specific that "Whoever comes to me I'll never turn away"..
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July 12, 2017 at 6:19 am
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(July 12, 2017 at 4:52 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: 3. Do you know when Yeshua became Jesus?
Well that was common central theme in mystery cults at the time. They were all centered on an intercessory savior deity, a son of god (or occasionally a daughter of god), literally called the Soter, "The Savior" (which is what Yeshua means in Hebrew and what is essentially the meaning of the word "Jesus").
If you look at "Soter" article at wikipedia you can see that many gods, before invention of Jesus, held that title: Poseidon Soter, Zeus Soter, Dionysus Soter, Apollo Soter, Athena Soteria, Asclepius Soteri, and Hecate Soteria. And even real historical people: Ptolemy I Soter, Antiochus I Soter and many more.
Each savior had gained victory over death for their followers by suffering through some kind of sacrifice, ordeal or trial, called a "passion". For some, this "passion" was their death and resurrection (e.g., Osiris); for others, some kind of terrible labor defeating the forces of death (e.g., Mithras), or variations thereof.
But of course these had nothing to do with Jesus. These were just coincidences, cuz Jiz was real Soter.
(July 12, 2017 at 4:52 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: 4. Do you know when the 14 Apocrypha books were deleted and why?
Actually there were hundreds of books, but they didn't fit editors taste at Nicaea. And then Zealots say that they didn't create Jesus at Nicaea. Pfff. They just looked over hundreds of books describing Jesus in all sorts of ways and decided which one they liked. I mean how are they inventing Jesus? Will you stop with your retarded theories already atheists?!
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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July 12, 2017 at 6:20 am
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(July 6, 2017 at 4:28 am)ignoramus Wrote: Hypocrisy #4
"I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent." Timothy 2:11
Paul wrote that to Tim simply as a guideline for the early churches which were being disrupted by noisy women who were using the places as drop-in centres for coffee and gossip!
He had no beef with sensible women, for example the early Christian sect in Phrygia was led by Montanus and two prophetesses, Priscilla and Maximilla.
And Paul paid glowing tributes to other women-
"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea..she has been a great help to many people, including me..
Greet Priscilla , my fellow worker in Christ Jesus, she risked her life for me.
Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you..
Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa and Persis, those women who work hard in the Lord.
Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
Greet Julia.." (Romans ch 16)
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 12, 2017 at 7:27 am
Exactly why they're going to hell with the men who allowed this abomination.
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 12, 2017 at 9:34 am
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(July 12, 2017 at 6:20 am)Dropship Wrote: (July 6, 2017 at 4:28 am)ignoramus Wrote: Hypocrisy #4
"I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent." Timothy 2:11
Paul wrote that to Tim simply as a guideline for the early churches which were being disrupted by noisy women who were using the places as drop-in centres for coffee and gossip!
He had no beef with sensible women, for example the early Christian sect in Phrygia was led by Montanus and two prophetesses, Priscilla and Maximilla.
And Paul paid glowing tributes to other women-
"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea..she has been a great help to many people, including me..
Greet Priscilla , my fellow worker in Christ Jesus, she risked her life for me.
Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you..
Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa and Persis, those women who work hard in the Lord.
Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
Greet Julia.." (Romans ch 16)
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
Church of England women clergy
First, there is no indication that any of the women you listed had leadership positions over men. Just that they were helpful. They could easily have been "pastor's wives" working subordinate to their husbands. Or just helpful women in general, but it does not say they were leaders (which is the point of the verse you quoted). You can believe women are not your equal while still believing they have some value. And a single church defying Paul's stupidity doesn't tell us anything about him. The verse is very clear about what he believes.
Second, the next verse you quoted means nothing when the first one clearly states a woman cannot have authority. Paul writes in Ephesians 6 that slaves must obey their masters. So slaves still existed in the church. Is this another contradiction?
Third, your picture adds nothing to the conversation. Saying that the Church of England has women clergy, so Paul must not have been against it, is like me saying the Church of Sweden performs homosexual marriages, so Paul must not have been against that either. The world has moved on from Paul's backwards thinking.
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 12, 2017 at 11:50 am
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I think that Dropship does demonstrate that you can find in the Bible validations for either ways, because it is constantly contradicting itself, hence 40 000+ Christian denominations. So while some denominations make women priests, other don't and see them as lesser beings, like Catholics or Evangelicals. For instance I remember watching "Higher Ground" (2011) movie, which was I think about Evangelicals, and in it you see a scene in which women are being careful so that it doesn't look like they are teaching men about religion.
Or any other issue that Christian denominations differ, like divorce, because at one point in Gospels Jesus forbids divorce but in other place he allows it. So you have Catholics forbidding divorce while Protestants, Anglicans and many other allowing it.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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