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Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
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Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
I've come to realize early on when I first turned away from faith 2 years ago, that the scriptures that both jews and christians use and believe are no more credible than any other older theology that we all have come to know as myths. I mean honestly, we don't take greek mythology and others seriously because the stories and claims in those myths have so much incorrect information about this earth and the cosmos that it's obvious no greek had been inspired by any all knowing god or gods. But we all, and this includes theists read those myths as literal claims, thus deeming those stories astronomically incorrect on so many levels.

What baffles me now, is that we have a world with the majority of believers who believe in the same god, that being Jehovah/Yahweh, but just like those other theological stories we all call myths, the claims within christian/jewish/muslim scriptures about the nature of this world and cosmos are just as incorrect as those we call myths. So my question is, how can an apologist have no problem calling other theologies myths but when facing the same fallacies that are litterally described in their bible, they pass these errors off as metaphores, yet still somehow say an all knowing true god was communicating with these jews and justify it's existence, but wouldn't dream of giving greek or hindu mythology a chance on the grounds that, the claims were "mysterious" metaphores not to be taken literally but the gods still exist and created everything. 

It is obvious to me that there was no more of a real god interacting with the jews , than there was with the greeks, hindus, ect...  and just like the reason we call other old theologies "myths", that being the things that come out of the mouths of these people who claimed a spiritual entity had spoken to them when noone else was around, this same reason why I say this god that the jews wrote about is as much of a delusion as the rest...
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RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
(July 20, 2019 at 5:42 am)android17ak47 Wrote: It is obvious to me that there was no more of a real god interacting with the jews , than there was with the greeks, hindus, ect...  and just like the reason we call other old theologies "myths", that being the things that come out of the mouths of these people who claimed a spiritual entity had spoken to them when noone else was around, this same reason why I say this god that the jews wrote about is as much of a delusion as the rest...

For some reason, people cannot get beyond their own mythology. At some point, all of these gods were once seriously believed in. Dawkins likes making this point in his writings and books, saying that Christians and other believers in current faiths are atheist with respect to Zeus and other gods in history. Atheists just go one god more. 

In light of all the gods we now understand to be myths, today's religions offer just one more in a long string of myths. And yet theists think somehow they do not have the burden of proof that their particular god is real.
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RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
Why? It's like asking an alcoholic why he drinks.
From what I've noticed Creationists are people who are very spiteful, filled with hate, who are constantly cursing other people, and I guess one can get addicted to it. They vent their own life's failures by blaming others, by being angry at others and they get short bursts of pleasure by yelling at other people how they're going to hell and whatnot.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
(July 20, 2019 at 10:58 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Why? It's like asking an alcoholic why he drinks.
From what I've noticed Creationists are people who are very spiteful, filled with hate, who are constantly cursing other people, and I guess one can get addicted to it. They went their own life's failures by blaming others, by being angry at others and they get short bursts of pleasure by yelling at other people how they're going to hell and whatnot.

I suspect it is more complex. Take the abortion debate in my country. While illegal, those seeking such simply travelled to the UK and had it anyway.

To me it seems a conflation of nationalism with religion. They actually do not care if it happens so long as it does not happen within the borders. One can only conclude that the objection is not moral, but jingoistic in nature.


Although there was a point where the wingnuts actually proposed pregnancy tests at ports of entry/exit. WTF? That whole fiasco actually went to the Supreme court. And was vaporised. Still, it illustrated the weird mindset.

Not to mention the various deaths of pregnant women. It is pretty horrible what religion "inspires" people to do.
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RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
I'm not completely sure what you're talking about but I see that you tie creationism with nationalism/ jingoism, but to me it is not surprising that these two things get intertwined, because jingoism is another excuse to be hateful so combining these two things gives people more opportunity to get high on hate.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
(July 20, 2019 at 5:42 am)android17ak47 Wrote: ...but wouldn't dream of giving greek or hindu mythology a chance on the grounds that, the claims were "mysterious" metaphores not to be taken literally...

Anyone who reads and appreciates Greek myths knows that Greek myths are so poignant precisely because they are metaphors that match up with reality (pretty well sometimes). Even the Ancient Greeks knew this. Perhaps even the ancient Israelites knew this. The only ones stupid enough to actually take God literally may be Christian fundamentalists.

Quote:It is obvious to me that there was no more of a real god interacting with the jews , than there was with the greeks, hindus, ect...  and just like the reason we call other old theologies "myths", that being the things that come out of the mouths of these people who claimed a spiritual entity had spoken to them when noone else was around, this same reason why I say this god that the jews wrote about is as much of a delusion as the rest...

I don't see the ancient Jews as delusional. They wrote what they were allowed to write. If they had written something like, "Maybe Yahweh doesn't really exist," they would have been dragged into the middle of the village and stoned to death. I'm sure that plenty of ancient Jews knew that the Yahweh schtick was a line of bullshit. But (since they were averse to having a bunch of rocks thrown at them) they elected not to publish their views.
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RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
(July 20, 2019 at 6:45 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(July 20, 2019 at 5:42 am)android17ak47 Wrote: ...but wouldn't dream of giving greek or hindu mythology a chance on the grounds that, the claims were "mysterious" metaphores not to be taken literally...

Anyone who reads and appreciates Greek myths knows that Greek myths are so poignant precisely because they are metaphors that match up with reality (pretty well sometimes). Even the Ancient Greeks knew this. Perhaps even the ancient Israelites knew this. The only ones stupid enough to actually take God literally may be Christian fundamentalists.

I am not sure that is true.

I suspect any religion which attain something of a status of justification for social morality will stimulate a particular disagreeable kind of people who always exist as some percentage of every society who are inclined to think it makes them holier than their fellows to take the myths of that religion more literally than their fellows.

However that same sort of people who tend to be more fundamentalist than others also tend to be stupider, less creative, less likable, and less capable of achievements of lasting value than their fellows, so once their society passes into history their existence would tend to be the least remembered, unless it were for the atrocities they perpetrate. So when we look back on any past age with fondness, we tend to see a biased image where enlightenment of lasting value is remembered for their continued utility, and relative fundamentalism is forgotten precisely because they are incapable of making things of lasting value.
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RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
`The conclusion a young person walks away from adolescents with are often the conclusion they walk with the rest of their lives.

I think we need to teach them that the process of forming a conclusion is more important than the conclusion itself. But that won't boded well for the far left and far right war using the rest of us would it?
anti-logical Fallacies of Ambiguity
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RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
(July 20, 2019 at 5:42 am)android17ak47 Wrote: I've come to realize early on when I first turned away from faith 2 years ago, that the scriptures that both jews and christians use and believe are no more credible than any other older theology that we all have come to know as myths. I mean honestly, we don't take greek mythology and others seriously because the stories and claims in those myths have so much incorrect information about this earth and the cosmos that it's obvious no greek had been inspired by any all knowing god or gods. But we all, and this includes theists read those myths as literal claims, thus deeming those stories astronomically incorrect on so many levels.

What baffles me now, is that we have a world with the majority of believers who believe in the same god, that being Jehovah/Yahweh, but just like those other theological stories we all call myths, the claims within christian/jewish/muslim scriptures about the nature of this world and cosmos are just as incorrect as those we call myths. So my question is, how can an apologist have no problem calling other theologies myths but when facing the same fallacies that are litterally described in their bible, they pass these errors off as metaphores, yet still somehow say an all knowing true god was communicating with these jews and justify it's existence, but wouldn't dream of giving greek or hindu mythology a chance on the grounds that, the claims were "mysterious" metaphores not to be taken literally but the gods still exist and created everything. 

It is obvious to me that there was no more of a real god interacting with the jews , than there was with the greeks, hindus, ect...  and just like the reason we call other old theologies "myths", that being the things that come out of the mouths of these people who claimed a spiritual entity had spoken to them when noone else was around, this same reason why I say this god that the jews wrote about is as much of a delusion as the rest...

 Let's take this in some simple steps. First you have no proof in all those words, nor have you given any evidence that God does not exist. Second you seem to believe that God spoke to these men as you and I would speak to each other, I can tell you that is not the case with most of these writers. Third modern science has debunk most all religions, just not Christianity or the Jewish. Fourth some of the sciences you want to rely on as good science just are not and haven't been proven so, there exist great problems in them. Fifth Christians can say all the other religions are false the same as atheist using the same reasons, good science. Metaphors in the Bible are clear in understanding they are just that. The Bible is a literal book of truth, a book that shows the history of a chosen people and why the were chosen. Sixth and I'll stop here because I need you to explain to not just me but everyone here this little statement from the Bible. God told Abraham that his descendants would be as innumerable as the stars in the heaven. Now how is it that a man of that time could have written such a statement when there are only around 6000 stars visible to the naked eye in the darkest of night skies. Don't try and argue there are more visible stars than that, it is established fact and do not try and say that it's metaphorical because that is a literal statement from the scriptures, so tell me how the writer could have ever know that the stars are innumerable?

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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