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RE: Stupid Christians
July 30, 2017 at 10:41 am
(July 29, 2017 at 11:31 pm)Isis Wrote: I wonder how the forum would react to a Stupid Atheist thread.
Stupid Atheists threads have been created on this forum before.
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RE: Stupid Christians
July 30, 2017 at 11:03 am
(July 29, 2017 at 11:31 pm)Isis Wrote: I wonder how the forum would react to a Stupid Atheist thread.
Plenty of them around!
Certainly there are stupid atheists, like those who vote Libertarain/Trump or support Ayn Rand or Che.
"Atheist" merely means "off" on god claims. Outside that yea, there certainly are stupid atheists. We are not a gang. We are not a political party. We are not an economic view. And we most certainly are not a religion. If you want to know what an atheist thinks on those topics, you have to ask the individual.
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RE: Stupid Christians
July 30, 2017 at 11:41 am
(July 30, 2017 at 10:29 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 30, 2017 at 3:51 am)Astonished Wrote: .... maybe hearing that they're full of shit might clue them in.
Um yeahhh... I don't think that'll do anything except make them think you're a jerk and give off a bad impression of atheists. Just a hunch...
They already have a bad impression of atheists because we don't believe in their stupid, fucking, god.
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RE: Stupid Christians
July 30, 2017 at 12:02 pm
(July 30, 2017 at 5:35 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (July 30, 2017 at 3:51 am)Astonished Wrote: They may not want to hear it but first off, fuck them, and second, maybe hearing that they're full of shit might clue them in.
When someone calls you "stupid", do you stop what you're doing and say, "You know, you might be right -- I'll get on that right away!"? No, you say "Fuck off" and move on.
If you're really concerned with "cluing someone in", calling them stupid doesn't strike me as a very smart way of going about your business. Of course, you're not really interested in that, because as you yourself said, "first off, fuck them". It does strike me as self-congratulatory masturbation: look at that fuckhead -- jeez, he's so stupid.
I've got Christians in my family who could clearly run circles around your dusty little brain. What they believe or don't believe doesn't speak to their intelligence. Perhaps you should look up the phenomenon of compartmentalization.
The stupid ones who are going to stereotype atheists one way or another (which I specifically referred to; 'delusional' is the term that more appropriately applies to theists, not 'stupid')? Yeah, they can be written off. Brains a tad dusty, and all that, apparently, not like I believe nor care how intelligent or not anyone you know might be. Being nice and cordial doesn't seem to faze that particular type of delusional thinker, so why bother when they just roll their eyes and say they'll pray for you or threaten you with hellfire? Their flavor of belief may not be rooted in stupidity (again, I've said this already) but once that delusion got hold of their dusty dendrites, the manifestation of stupid that otherwise wouldn't occur just happened to come out and play. It's not fair to them (indoctrination should carry stiff criminal penalties) but we're offering the way out of that and if they don't want to take the high road and be genuinely honest about what they're doing, well, we tried, and...fuck 'em. Can't say we weren't the ones trying to make a positive difference, and when that fails, middle finger. At least that'll more often keep them from preaching at us. At that point we're done with them, they may not be a hopeless case but someone or something else is going to have to take a crack at it, and the worst thing we could be doing is try to meet them half-way and make them think there's any validity to their claims. Once they've rejected any attempt at street epistemology or whatever preferred approach a non-believer might want to use, it's like an antibody is built up against that person and their ability to persuade. So fuck 'em is basically, we're done, as far as we're concerned we can write them off as hopeless cases because it's not in our particular hands anymore, but also shut down any attempt on their part to reciprocate. At least with our case, it wasn't an inane waste of breath with no intent to actually achieve something worthwhile.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: Stupid Christians
July 30, 2017 at 12:09 pm
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(July 30, 2017 at 11:41 am)Minimalist Wrote: (July 30, 2017 at 10:29 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Um yeahhh... I don't think that'll do anything except make them think you're a jerk and give off a bad impression of atheists. Just a hunch...
They already have a bad impression of atheists because we don't believe in their stupid, fucking, god.
That is true for some, yes. But there are many of us who really don't feel that way at all, I promise!
(July 30, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Astonished Wrote: (July 30, 2017 at 5:35 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: When someone calls you "stupid", do you stop what you're doing and say, "You know, you might be right -- I'll get on that right away!"? No, you say "Fuck off" and move on.
If you're really concerned with "cluing someone in", calling them stupid doesn't strike me as a very smart way of going about your business. Of course, you're not really interested in that, because as you yourself said, "first off, fuck them". It does strike me as self-congratulatory masturbation: look at that fuckhead -- jeez, he's so stupid.
I've got Christians in my family who could clearly run circles around your dusty little brain. What they believe or don't believe doesn't speak to their intelligence. Perhaps you should look up the phenomenon of compartmentalization.
The stupid ones who are going to stereotype atheists one way or another (which I specifically referred to; 'delusional' is the term that more appropriately applies to theists, not 'stupid')? Yeah, they can be written off. Brains a tad dusty, and all that, apparently, not like I believe nor care how intelligent or not anyone you know might be. Being nice and cordial doesn't seem to faze that particular type of delusional thinker, so why bother when they just roll their eyes and say they'll pray for you or threaten you with hellfire? Their flavor of belief may not be rooted in stupidity (again, I've said this already) but once that delusion got hold of their dusty dendrites, the manifestation of stupid that otherwise wouldn't occur just happened to come out and play. It's not fair to them (indoctrination should carry stiff criminal penalties) but we're offering the way out of that and if they don't want to take the high road and be genuinely honest about what they're doing, well, we tried, and...fuck 'em. Can't say we weren't the ones trying to make a positive difference, and when that fails, middle finger. At least that'll more often keep them from preaching at us. At that point we're done with them, they may not be a hopeless case but someone or something else is going to have to take a crack at it, and the worst thing we could be doing is try to meet them half-way and make them think there's any validity to their claims. Once they've rejected any attempt at street epistemology or whatever preferred approach a non-believer might want to use, it's like an antibody is built up against that person and their ability to persuade. So fuck 'em is basically, we're done, as far as we're concerned we can write them off as hopeless cases because it's not in our particular hands anymore, but also shut down any attempt on their part to reciprocate. At least with our case, it wasn't an inane waste of breath with no intent to actually achieve something worthwhile.
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RE: Stupid Christians
July 30, 2017 at 12:15 pm
(July 30, 2017 at 12:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 30, 2017 at 11:41 am)Minimalist Wrote: They already have a bad impression of atheists because we don't believe in their stupid, fucking, god.
That is true for some, yes. But there are many of us who really don't feel that way at all, I promise!
(July 30, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Astonished Wrote:
The stupid ones who are going to stereotype atheists one way or another (which I specifically referred to; 'delusional' is the term that more appropriately applies to theists, not 'stupid')? Yeah, they can be written off. Brains a tad dusty, and all that, apparently, not like I believe nor care how intelligent or not anyone you know might be. Being nice and cordial doesn't seem to faze that particular type of delusional thinker, so why bother when they just roll their eyes and say they'll pray for you or threaten you with hellfire? Their flavor of belief may not be rooted in stupidity (again, I've said this already) but once that delusion got hold of their dusty dendrites, the manifestation of stupid that otherwise wouldn't occur just happened to come out and play. It's not fair to them (indoctrination should carry stiff criminal penalties) but we're offering the way out of that and if they don't want to take the high road and be genuinely honest about what they're doing, well, we tried, and...fuck 'em. Can't say we weren't the ones trying to make a positive difference, and when that fails, middle finger. At least that'll more often keep them from preaching at us. At that point we're done with them, they may not be a hopeless case but someone or something else is going to have to take a crack at it, and the worst thing we could be doing is try to meet them half-way and make them think there's any validity to their claims. Once they've rejected any attempt at street epistemology or whatever preferred approach a non-believer might want to use, it's like an antibody is built up against that person and their ability to persuade. So fuck 'em is basically, we're done, as far as we're concerned we can write them off as hopeless cases because it's not in our particular hands anymore, but also shut down any attempt on their part to reciprocate. At least with our case, it wasn't an inane waste of breath with no intent to actually achieve something worthwhile.
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Nothing more substantial? Thought not.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: Stupid Christians
July 30, 2017 at 1:11 pm
No need to. It kind of speaks for itself. I especially like the bit about you accusing us of stereotyping while you proceed to stereotype us.
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RE: Stupid Christians
July 30, 2017 at 1:30 pm
(July 30, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Astonished Wrote: (July 30, 2017 at 5:35 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: When someone calls you "stupid", do you stop what you're doing and say, "You know, you might be right -- I'll get on that right away!"? No, you say "Fuck off" and move on.
If you're really concerned with "cluing someone in", calling them stupid doesn't strike me as a very smart way of going about your business. Of course, you're not really interested in that, because as you yourself said, "first off, fuck them". It does strike me as self-congratulatory masturbation: look at that fuckhead -- jeez, he's so stupid.
I've got Christians in my family who could clearly run circles around your dusty little brain. What they believe or don't believe doesn't speak to their intelligence. Perhaps you should look up the phenomenon of compartmentalization.
The stupid ones who are going to stereotype atheists one way or another (which I specifically referred to; 'delusional' is the term that more appropriately applies to theists, not 'stupid')? Yeah, they can be written off. Brains a tad dusty, and all that, apparently, not like I believe nor care how intelligent or not anyone you know might be. Being nice and cordial doesn't seem to faze that particular type of delusional thinker, so why bother when they just roll their eyes and say they'll pray for you or threaten you with hellfire? Their flavor of belief may not be rooted in stupidity (again, I've said this already) but once that delusion got hold of their dusty dendrites, the manifestation of stupid that otherwise wouldn't occur just happened to come out and play. It's not fair to them (indoctrination should carry stiff criminal penalties) but we're offering the way out of that and if they don't want to take the high road and be genuinely honest about what they're doing, well, we tried, and...fuck 'em. Can't say we weren't the ones trying to make a positive difference, and when that fails, middle finger. At least that'll more often keep them from preaching at us. At that point we're done with them, they may not be a hopeless case but someone or something else is going to have to take a crack at it, and the worst thing we could be doing is try to meet them half-way and make them think there's any validity to their claims. Once they've rejected any attempt at street epistemology or whatever preferred approach a non-believer might want to use, it's like an antibody is built up against that person and their ability to persuade. So fuck 'em is basically, we're done, as far as we're concerned we can write them off as hopeless cases because it's not in our particular hands anymore, but also shut down any attempt on their part to reciprocate. At least with our case, it wasn't an inane waste of breath with no intent to actually achieve something worthwhile.
You could have saved a lot of trouble be simply typing "Why yes, I AM a thoughtless douche."
At least this way you're doing the rational thing and giving supporting evidence ... there's that.
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RE: Stupid Christians
July 30, 2017 at 1:49 pm
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(July 30, 2017 at 10:29 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 30, 2017 at 3:51 am)Astonished Wrote: .... maybe hearing that they're full of shit might clue them in.
Um yeahhh... I don't think that'll do anything except make them think you're a jerk and give off a bad impression of atheists. Just a hunch...
Fuck off, CL.
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RE: Stupid Christians
July 30, 2017 at 1:54 pm
Falling for Apostle Paul's hijacking of Jesus' professed faith is a universal failing among Christians and ripe fodder for a blanket rebuking.
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