Mosul Liberated

[Brian37]

pleasure bumps on my new dildo ??

Give it back to Malania, 45 has erectile dysfunction, you know you stole it from the White House.

[WinterHold]

Wait for it.... some smug theist will come in and start telling us all about how Atheists have killed the most people in all of history, completely ignoring the fact that their magical sky daddy committed the first genocide ever and Atheists have not started a war in the history of ever. And then they'll tell us we're going to hell because we don't believe, but they'll say a prayer for us because their sky daddy loves us.

Not a smart comment.
We don't even know what the first war in history was:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_..._of_Canaan
But that doesn't look like a theistic cause at all. More like a non-religious will for domination and earthly spoils.

World war 1 and 2 had no relationship with sky-daddies.

Mousel? All I see is a group of Iraqies who sold their region and their people and hence: their humanity; and agreed to be the mules of the foreign invasion, just like they did years before ISIS.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's all you'll ever see, Atlas.  It;s pretty simple, really.  There are no gods.  Just men convincing other men to do horrible shit and then blaming it on gods. OFC the iraqis "sold their religion". It was for sale, it's always been for sale. That's the whole point of it. Religion was an early experiment in product branding.

[Minimalist]

World war 1 and 2 had no relationship with sky-daddies.

Things are rarely as simple as you try to portray them.  Why don't you give it up.

[Brian37]

That's all you'll ever see, Atlas.  It;s pretty simple, really.  There are no gods.  Just men convincing other men to do horrible shit and then blaming it on gods.  OFC the iraqis "sold their religion".  It was for sale, it's always been for sale.  That's the whole point of it.  Religion was an early experiment in product branding.

I wouldn't say most humans sell it to exploit, but sure, unfortunately there are just enough on our planet who find it politically useful. 45 certainly didn't mind pandering to our far right nuts.

Most humans buy the religions of their parents, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. The key isn't to rid the world of religion, but to put it on the back burner and put things like avoiding pollution and war, and valuing science and education, and livable wages for workers worldwide.

[WinterHold]

That's all you'll ever see, Atlas.  It;s pretty simple, really.  There are no gods.  Just men convincing other men to do horrible shit and then blaming it on gods.  OFC the iraqis "sold their religion".  It was for sale, it's always been for sale.  That's the whole point of it.  Religion was an early experiment in product branding.

Iraq has this problem of too many distinct factions and tribes. It's like a very bad cocktail.
Some factions just wanted to sell. But they didn't do it all by their own; during the Iraq/Iran war, Sunnies and Shiites were good, nationalism was strong, all shit came with the American invasion.

If you want my opinion; the worst Shiites and the worst Sunnies got supported to compose the Iraq of today: the pile of shit with ISIS and the Popular Mobilization Forces. 

The amount of sectarian hate that was injected in the region in 2003 was just evil stuff.

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World war 1 and 2 had no relationship with sky-daddies.

Things are rarely as simple as you try to portray them.  Why don't you give it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

I feel that if I gave up, I won't be who I am anymore. Imagine the end; and I'm right. OMG

[The Grand Nudger]

Iraq has this problem of too many distinct factions and tribes. It's like a very bad cocktail.
Some factions just wanted to sell. But they didn't do it all by their own; during the Iraq/Iran war, Sunnies and Shiites were good, nationalism was strong, all shit came with the American invasion.

Thanks for clearing that up Ayatollah.  It's clear that everything is always the Great Satans fault.  Maybe, just maybe, though.... islam is the worst possible religion to add into that tribal cocktail of over-exploited poors.  Islamizing the regime certainly worked for a time for Saddam, and by "worked" I mean it terrified the populace and kept them marginally in line. So I guess it;s just a matter of opinion, as to whether or not everyone praying to the anus in front of them improved the state in some way.

If you want my opinion; the worst Shiites and the worst Sunnies got supported to compose the Iraq of today: the pile of shit with ISIS and the Popular Mobilization Forces. 

The amount of sectarian hate that was injected in the region in 2003 was just evil stuff.

Injected?  It was all sleepovers and ice cream before '03, huh.

I feel that if I gave up, I won't be who I am anymore. Imagine the end; and I'm right. OMG

You say that like it wouldn't be an improvement.  

[WinterHold]

Thanks for clearing that up Ayatollah.  It's clear that everything is always the Great Satans fault.  Maybe, just maybe, though.... islam is the worst possible religion to add into that tribal cocktail of over-exploited poors.  Islamizing the regime certainly worked for a time for Saddam, and by "worked" I mean it terrified the populace and kept them marginally in line.  So I guess it;s just a matter of opinion, as to whether or not everyone praying to the anus in front of them improved the state in some way. 

You're welcome; uncle Sam !

I wouldn't blame it all on external forces; Saddam did some nasty stuff to the Shiite component, stories of the horrors of his prisons echo to this day, but it wasn't against the sects in precise; Syria's government was Shiite and they even rivaled Saddam's terror.

The battlefield only respected dollars, it didn't respect God at all. So it was pretty easy to cut through these societies and affiliations: throw more $ towards the right direction and here you go: you're the next leader of Iraq.

If America didn't ruin the day -for the sake oil- maybe somebody else would've invaded; but America could've left itself outside of this bloody conflict. At least keep the blood of Iraqies off their hands.

But I agree totally, that Shia and Sunna will always fight. Islam has nothing to do with it, but Sunnaism and Shiietism has everything to do with it.

Injected?  It was all sleepovers and ice cream before '03, huh.

It would've been better off without American intervention.

You say that like it wouldn't be an improvement.  

Thanks for wishing me death.

[The Grand Nudger]

You're welcome; uncle Sam !

I wouldn't blame it all on external forces; Saddam did some nasty stuff to the Shiite component, stories of the horrors of his prisons echo to this day, but it wasn't against the sects in precise; Syria's government was Shiite and they even rivaled Saddam's terror.

-and this is how justifications for intervention are made.

The battlefield only respected dollars, it didn't respect God at all. So it was pretty easy to cut through these societies and affiliations: throw more $ towards the right direction and here you go: you're the next leader of Iraq.

OFC it respects dollars, it's not like "god" is buying bullets and food for soldiers.  "God" doesn't build roads or hospitals either.  "God" is incapable of governing or of providing the necessities of good governance.  Money talks, Atlas, money talks.  That may upset you, but at some point, you just have to come to terms with it.  

If America didn't ruin the day -for the sake oil- maybe somebody else would've invaded; but America could've left itself outside of this bloody conflict. At least keep the blood of Iraqies off their hands.

We went to war for the sake of neoconservatism, not oil.  Repeating this war for oil slogan actually helps to obscure the motivations of the people who instigated the conflict.....and that's how -you- end up a useful idiot for their bullshittery.  

:claps:

But I agree totally, that Shia and Sunna will always fight. Islam has nothing to do with it, but Sunnaism and Shiietism has everything to do with it.

Anything to excuse islam for the shit it gets itself into,  eh?  The christers have been peddling the same line for centuries.  

It would've been better off without American intervention.

Meh, it would have been better off with competent intervention.    Ultimately, I think that our recent misadventures in the middle east were an incredible waste of an opportunity to do real and lasting good.  

Thanks for wishing me death.

I doubt that you'd have to die to become less credulous and simple, but hey, I don't know you from adam.  Maybe you really are that thick?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm working very hard to think of one square meter of ground in the Middle East worth one pint of blood from a GI. Maybe someone can help me out?

I'd much rather let the Sunnis and Shi'ites kill each other rather than insert Americans into the firing line. I'm willing to pay higher prices at the gas pumps for it, too. Better Muslims fighting each other, and perhaps they'll eventually learn the lesson that fighting over godly conceptions -- or Earthly successions -- is futile ... inshallah.