Testimony is Evidence

[Minimalist]

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How many people were murdered by fine xtians giving "testimony" that they were doing witchcraft?  You have to be an amazing asshole to think such "testimony" is valid for anyone but another idiot jesus freak.

Do you think that was based on good testimony?

Of course not... but then again, I'm not an idiot jesus freak am I?  These fine xtian assholes murdered about 20 people in Salem, Mass; it was far more deadly in Europe.  The point is when you think that lying assholes - just like the lying assholes who wrote your fucking bible and assorted holy horseshit - are proper witnesses you get into all sorts of trouble.

But you don't care as long as they get rid of the witches, right?

[Redbeard The Pink]

Do you think that was based on good testimony?

Ummm...do you think your beliefs are based on good testimony?

Also...what's your methodology for parsing out good testimony from bad?

[LadyForCamus]

Do you think that was based on good testimony?

Ummm...do you think your beliefs are based on good testimony?

Also...what's your methodology for parsing out good testimony from bad?

I'm still waiting for Steve to answer this one.  I'm not holding my breath, though.

[Neo-Scholastic]

It looks like RR has bailed on his own thread, again.

Eventually, a topic exhausts itself when on possible points have been made. There is no shame in letting others have the last word.

[Ravenshire]

It looks like RR has bailed on his own thread, again.

Eventually, a topic exhausts itself when on possible points have been made. There is no shame in letting others have the last word.

You would have a point, if it weren't his fourth thread on the topic...

[Pat Mustard]

Me and a few of my friends saw Pee Wee Herman anally rape a bulldog.

I cant tell you their names but it like totally happened.

This is like witness testimony in the bible.

Made up nonsense. Supported by nothing.

No, the bible is more like, "here's thist totally rue story my great-grand-uncle wrote that his grandfather's drinking buddy told him down the pub one night, which he heard off some protesting stiludents who were told it by a guy selling sausages inna bun, who saw it after mastering the mystical wisdoms of Mrs Marietta Cosmopolite, and it's totally true".

[downbeatplumb]

Me and a few of my friends saw Pee Wee Herman anally rape a bulldog.

I cant tell you their names but it like totally happened.

This is like witness testimony in the bible.

Made up nonsense. Supported by nothing.

No, the bible  is more like, "here's thist totally rue story my great-grand-uncle wrote that his grandfather's drinking buddy told him down the pub one night, which he heard off some protesting stiludents who were told it by a guy selling sausages inna bun, who saw it after mastering the mystical wisdoms of Mrs Marietta Cosmopolite, and it's totally true".

Ah a subtle Pratchett reference slid gently into the thread. Me likee

[Astonished]

It looks like RR has bailed on his own thread, again.

What's the over/under on number of weeks before he posts "Testimony is Evidence V: The Final Bullshit Argument?"

Sorry, I've been busy building a deck.  Working hard, but good days, and didn't feel like coming here (and ruining it with the negativity).

Is there something that you would like to discuss more?

I could see where we could discuss the studies or reasons that are being used to say that  witness testimony are unreliable and therefore not good evidence.  We could go into what the studies actually say, and their impact on the discussion.

Or we could discuss how I think that you are inconsistent in your views and that I wouldn't be allowed to dismiss evidence, just because it comes as testimony from another.  As well as those who are arguing that their personal experience is too unreliable in which to base a belief.

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How many people were murdered by fine xtians giving "testimony" that they were doing witchcraft?  You have to be an amazing asshole to think such "testimony" is valid for anyone but another idiot jesus freak.

Do you think that was based on good testimony?

You seem to be laboring under the delusion that you are somehow uniquely immune to this problem of not falling for or falling victim to shitty testimony. You betray your arrogance yet again and it once more does nothing to support your position.

You're the only one here who's demonstrated inconsistencies in your view because we're constantly forcing you into a corner and yet you're not willing to own up to and admit you're wrong, doing an amusing (though the novelty has long since worn off) tap-dance to try and save yourself when really all you're doing is lying at that point. Grow up.

Testimony is. Absolutely. 100%. FUCKING WORTHLESS. Absent of corroborating evidence.

It's no different than the actual initial claim it's meant to be supporting. It's simply another assertion of not only what it purports, but also that what it is purporting is true and accurate. Nothing so loaded can in and of itself be considered evidence. And that's without the fallibility of the human mind (case in point, yourself), willful dishonesty (again, surprise, case in point, yourself) or simple misunderstandings of a situation or the objects or persons involved in what was witnessed.

And protest all you want, your wish to equate claims that are at least based in reality (and which can be corroborated by evidence) with claims that not only have nothing to do with reality, but have less than zero ability to be corroborated by any evidence whatsoever, is the pinnacle of dishonesty and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[John V]

Of course testimony, as defined in the OP, is evidence. It isn't conclusive evidence. There are many factors we use to assess the strength of testimony as evidence. But to say it isn't evidence at all is ridiculous. Most of what we think we know we learned through testimony.

[Minimalist]

Also...what's your methodology for parsing out good testimony from bad?

When it tells him what he wants to hear, that's "good" testimony.  Anything else is bad.