God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability

[Astreja]

Do you know what omnipresent means as related to God, I've asked several people here and no one answers the question, guess they are not really sure.

"Omnipresent" means "present everywhere."

(looks under keyboard and behind recycle bin) Not here, though.

[Godscreated]

Do you know what omnipresent means as related to God, I've asked several people here and no one answers the question, guess they are not really sure.

"Omnipresent" means "present everywhere."

(looks under keyboard and behind recycle bin) Not here, though.

Sort of but much larger than that. What are you saying everywhere encompasses in your statement.
Thanks for giving it a shot, better than the others have done.

GC

[Neo-Scholastic]

"Omnipresent" means "present everywhere."

(looks under keyboard and behind recycle bin) Not here, though.

Sort of but much larger than that. What are you saying everywhere encompasses in your statement.
Thanks for giving it a shot, better than the others have done.

GC

My guess is she didn't notice any protons or electrons either while she was looking.

[Astreja]

My guess is she didn't notice any protons or electrons either while she was looking.

Well, buy me a state-of-the art microscope and I'll look for them.  In all fairness, however, neither did I notice any unicorns (although that does not automatically exclude the Invisible Pink Unicorn, mHhhnbs).  

Am I to understand from your comment that you envision a god that's everywhere but undetectable with the naked eye?

[Neo-Scholastic]

My guess is she didn't notice any protons or electrons either while she was looking.

Well, buy me a state-of-the art microscope and I'll look for them.  In all fairness, however, neither did I notice any unicorns (although that does not automatically exclude the Invisible Pink Unicorn, mHhhnbs).  

Am I to understand from your comment that you envision a god that's everywhere but undetectable with the naked eye?

No. My point was that you deliberately misrepresented the concept of omnipresence and also made a category error about the nature of God. You may have thought it was clever so the best interpretation of your post was a joke. The alternatives are stupid and clueless.

[Cyberman]

Protons and electrons are detectable, measurable and produce physical effects. The moment we can honestly say anything even remotely similar for a god, that's when we get to talk about category errors.

[Astreja]

My point was that you deliberately misrepresented the concept of omnipresence and also made a category  error about the nature of God. You may have thought it was clever so the best interpretation of your post was a joke. The alternatives are stupid and clueless.

*heavy sigh* Of course it was a joke, and that's all the concept deserves.  Alleged omnipresence that is not detectable through any means currently known to humanity is an unsupported assertion until actual data shows up.

[Drich]

Theists, are you comfortable knowing that the thing you worship will never reveal himself to you?

And if He does?

Do you all really think that just because God did not reach out to you, He reaches out to no one?
Universe revolve around you much?

He will never help you when you are ill.

AIDS/Cancer No treatment on either...

He will never be your wingman in battle.

I fought every school day of my life from 6th grade to 10th. I now see i would not have made it if not for HIm.

Never protect you from harm.

More times than I can count.

Maybe without those things I would think as you do. But at the same time you are without those things because you did not ever A/S/K for them either.

That’s the problem with believing in the unfalsifiable: You could be wrong and you’d never find out.
To me, personally, that is religion's greatest marketing strength. It's their ultimate product which they are selling to you.
One which you yourself as a customer cannot even prove you haven't received!!!

Needing blind faith to believe in the absurd or extraordinary isn't just recommended, it's mandatory!

Thank God, God is not like that then Huh?

On one side of the fence people say what you do, and on the other people say the opposite.. the problem with a proud person is you do not see the fence you do not see the division God has placed between us. Then a proud person wrongly assumes that because God does not speak to me, he can not speak to anyone.
That make people who claim that he does, stupid or a liar...

2000 years of stupid liars... when in every single other case of false religion has never lasted longer than the society that it originates from..

OR... What if those who claim to have seen God simply have, and you and those like you are indeed simply on the outs?

[Redbeard The Pink]

Theists, are you comfortable knowing that the thing you worship will never reveal himself to you?

And if He does?

Do you all really think that just because God did not reach out to you, He reaches out to no one?
Universe revolve around you much?

Your warm fuzzy feely-weelies do not count as a revelation, Drich.

He will never help you when you are ill.

AIDS/Cancer No treatment on either...

False. AIDS patients have had access to retroviral drugs for years, plus other treatments to combat various aspects of that illness. If they can get those treatments, many of them lead more or less normal lives. Cancer patients, likewise, may have access to various treatments that manage the disease and/or its symptoms.

I think what you might have meant is "cure," and you'd be wrong there, too. At least one person has been cured of AIDS via bone marrow transplant from a genetically resistant donor, and cancer can be eliminated from people's bodies with chemo, radiation, cannabis oil, and probably other things (sometimes temporarily, other times for good).

He will never be your wingman in battle.

I fought every school day of my life from 6th grade to 10th. I now see i would not have made it if not for HIm.

Why? Did he use his magic to help you beat up your school mates? What a dick.

Just make sure you don't fight anyone who has access to chariots of iron. Those things fuck Jehovah's shit right up.

Never protect you from harm.

More times than I can count.


Maybe without those things I would think as you do. But at the same time you are without those things because you did not ever A/S/K for them either.

When you interpret every possible outcome as a sign from your god, it doesn't matter what you ask for. You'll always get an answer, and you'll always think it's the right one. It's like letting go of a balloon and telling it, "Please make it rain someday," and then the next time it rains you're like "MY SPELL WORKED!"

That’s the problem with believing in the unfalsifiable: You could be wrong and you’d never find out.
To me, personally, that is religion's greatest marketing strength. It's their ultimate product which they are selling to you.
One which you yourself as a customer cannot even prove you haven't received!!!

Needing blind faith to believe in the absurd or extraordinary isn't just recommended, it's mandatory!

Thank God, God is not like that then Huh?

On one side of the fence people say what you do, and on the other people say the opposite.. the problem with a proud person is you do not see the fence you do not see the division God has placed between us. Then a proud person wrongly assumes that because God does not speak to me, he can not speak to anyone.
That make people who claim that he does, stupid or a liar...

That is a false dichotomy. They could also simply be mistaken.

2000 years of stupid liars... when in every single other case of false religion has never lasted longer than the society that it originates from..

Ummm...bullshit? Buddhism is about 2,500 years old and spread far beyond the society that created it. Plenty of other religions have managed to span culture and time, too. Does that mean those religions aren't false? How do you reconcile that with the fact that they flatly contradict yours?

OR... What if those who claim to have seen God simply have, and you and those like you are indeed simply on the outs?

Really? Like, really bro?

Ok...so how do you contend with the claims of people who are completely convinced (like, as convinced as you are) that they've seen gods you don't believe in? What if all those people were right, and you're simply on the outs? Furthermore, how do you contend with people like me? I used to see and hear god, along with a host of other supernatural shit (ghosts, demons, magical energy, etc.), and now I'm convinced that I was mistaken and that none of those things are real. What now?

[Cyberman]

Drich does love him some good old-fashioned burden of proof shifting. Mmm, now that's mighty fine fallacy!