setting a watchman

[Ravenshire]

It's really not that hard with you snow flakes.. all anyone must do is take a snow flake subject and simply speak about it a non pre approved way.. doesn't have to be negative, just in a way where the snow doesn't normally blow and you douche bags have to think alittle, you come apart at the seams because how to think for yourselves.

Truly what did I say here that was untrue or what did I say someone else's idea? one that was proven to work in post war japan

Drich, it's simply that most of us don't want to waste our time with you anymore.  Can't you see that?  There is literally no point in trying to reason with a willfully hateful, ignorant person.  *shrugs*  You're free to interpret that anyway you see fit.

I put the ignorant, hateful chuckle-fuck on ignore a long time ago, never looked back and never missed reading his tripe.

[Drich]

Black Americans do not have an ancestral society because it was systematically removed by the slavers, it has nothing to do with race or with the relative imagined paucity of African society but the slavery that was inflicted on them.

I would assume that few black americans know from which particular tribe or empire their ancestors were stolen from.

You are right for black AMERICANS...

What about the black run countries in Africa Like the Democratic republic of the congo, or somilia, or any one of the other dozen or so failing nations that are black run without anysupport from a host nation?

Why do they also function (when compared to the western moden model) also behave in such a way that would indicate a general lack of social infrastructure? Why can't countries with intact ancestral societies not function as a first world country??? Let's take black out of the equation and fast forward to the iron age people in the oil rich countries that want to chop our heads off... Because in Africa you could argue the lack of natural resources to make those people a major player on the world market... So lets look at IRAN same problem, maybe not as young meaning they can socially organize into functioning groups larger than tribes or clans, but they still can not function in a westernized global economy, because they stopped developing in the iron age. and as such there is 2000 years of social infrastructure missing. Like wise that is why the majority of the African nations are doomed to fail, because they too are very young/new to modern western society and do not have the infrastructure to support such complex societies. That is why most military action are clan war lords against other clan size war lord.

This is the legacy that has been taken away from black Americans (until recently) and as a result no other group of black people have lived so well in the nation that hosts them.

Most of you act like most of africa is like Wakanda (the made up nation in the marvel universe where the black panther is from) A place far more advanced than any place in the western world. and places like America are the world's end for black people. In truth black people thrive here like in no other place on earth. Not that white people should be thanked. But at the same time I do not think white people should shat on because black people want to up hold a tribal soceity that does not help nor support the structure that proud black Americans live and coexist in. There should be no us and them. we should be americans.

[FatAndFaithless]

There should be no us and them. we should be americans.

You literally started this thread by saying that black people as a group were comparable to Nazis because they don't put America first. Talk about us and them...

[Drich]

I would say when ever that black man was apart of the fabric of what makes America great, and the white man is holding on to a social order or idea that does not have a place in modern society.

Perhaps this is not what you meant, Drippy, but it sounds as if you are championing the Uncle Toms?  And as I noted in another thread, there is a legitimate question as to when or whether America was ever great.

The biggest thing with Americans seems to be that far too many have an almost unlimited capacity to have smoke blown up their asses.

No. I champion any social group who seeks and sets themselves to be assimilated into the greater community. Our father knew this and that is why white people are not split into 1/2 a dozen old country groups. when you see a white american unless he is speaking with a foreign accent, the man is simply a american. The same could be said of the black american unless he speaks with a foreign accent. that is unless he is holding onto a sub sect, or another social order.. where this man would rather identify as "X" or "Y" American. Again as the Harper lee's book identifies this is the reason for segergation, because then it was a white forced difference, now it is a black forced difference, and no american who has given up what "Y" american hold on to will ever be seen as an equal.

That is my point. it has nothing to do with uncle tom's. In a melting pot cultures all come together and are well integrated. a "Y" american wants to be kept seperate and not integrate into the rest of the pot.

[Drich]

Drich :

Regardless of the cultural progress of continental Africa during the years of the European/ American slave trade era, do you feel that at any point slavery and the later Jim Crow era were "good' for the social progress of blacks?

Do you think over 300 years of these humanitarian abominations have any lasting effects in our society? Anything that we still need to overcome?

slavery is not a good nor a bad thing, inherently. it is how people use slaves, how slaves are obtained and how they are kept that evil can be fund. what most of you forget is most of the world elects slavery over the alternative, even today!

That said this one ear of american History was for the popular understood part an exercise in evil. But at the same time not all slave owers were evil nor where they hated by their slaves. if you goto Monticello.org you can read about jefferson and his wonderful relationship he had with his slaves. In the deep south there were some examples of slaves being welcomed into families like blood brothers on smaller farms and even plantations (which is where the term uncle tom came from) those men were loved like brothers and were even left freedom and land where it was allowed.

Then there were the mega plantations. that span states and out of a hand full of those came America's legacy. The 'roots' understanding of slavery. Most slave owners hated these mega plantations as one the kept the prices low on whatever they grew, but two often would treat white land owners of smaller plantations and farm as they would a slave. From what I understand this mega plantation/family only held upto 1/3 of all the slaves during America's entire slave trading days.

But that's not what sells books and movies is it?

Which brings us to the civil war. a war fought over the use of slaves not the freedom of slaves.

The war was started by these mega plantation owners wanting to expand west of the Mississippi and take their slaves into the mid west/plain states and farm out there and into texas and raise cattle. The nothern states wanted no part of that as they need that teritory to be slave free so the white immigrants could be push west into paying jobs. (lincolon Himself explains this in a short letter explain about 100 days before the emancipation proclamation he did not care if it meant a promise to the south for a 1000 years that they could keep their slaves, or he did not care if they were all set free. He just wanted this war to come to an end one way or another. So they were set free and if he had not died they/the slaves ALL would have been sent back to africa/liberia to be exact as several dozen ship loads were sent from here to there as apart of his repatriation act.

I tell you all of that to have you look at the conditions in liberia and the attitudes in liberia/how they feel about the US and you tell me if there should have been 300 years of anything for anyone to over come.

Do you know why black people and korean people do not get along? (at least from the korean side?)
Because a korean man can come here wearing the stripes of slavery. (meaning they man could have been a literal slave himself in that country at one point or like me be one generation removed from a relative who was a slave, unlike black people who can if ever know the names/back story/ have a specific reason to be angry) don't speak the language, can be hated, beat and mistreated by whites open a business and thrive anywhere in this country dispelling the idea that oppression, humanitarian abominations, are objectives a race of people have to over come to be successful.

What's the difference? social infrastructure. Korean Chinese Japanese really all modern cultures, meaning cultures who have naturally progressed through their own version of the stone age, bronze age iron age preindustrial and industrial eras. A people who pass though These era all add to infrastructure/industriousness in the heart and minds of any member of those communities.

Black american slaves were in most cases taken out of a pre bronze age environment and made to work/live in a pre industrial age soceity

[Thumpalumpacus]

lol, someone hasn't heard about colonialism.

Also, saying African countries don't have many resources is uninformed. Many do -- oil, bauxite, gold, iron and so on -- but those leases are owned and operated by the foreign companies left in place after the liberation of colonies.

This entire thread is a monument to the post hoc fallacy. Africa isn't screwed because it's run by blacks. Africa is screwed because colonialization prevented the formation of stable governments in many cases, up until the 1960s. It's also screwed because organized religion still plays a huge role in their societies, leading to high rates of HIV, large populations (meaning lower per-capita incomes), and violence perpetrated or inspired by the faithful.

[Astreja]

Every time I think you've plumbed the depths of idiocy, you grab your shovel and set to work with a vengeance.

That isn't a shovel Drich is using -- it's a razzafracking backhoe.

[Drich]

says the one person here who has never even introduced himself to me.

Blindly judge other's much?

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There should be no us and them. we should be americans.

You literally started this thread by saying that black people as a group were comparable to Nazis because they don't put America first.  Talk about us and them...

Ah... nuupe I didn't.

That's call spin sport. Spin is when one cherry picks and then re-imagines a close but new meaning to what was said.

[brewer]

Drich, it's simply that most of us don't want to waste our time with you anymore.  Can't you see that?  There is literally no point in trying to reason with a willfully hateful, ignorant person.  *shrugs*  You're free to interpret that anyway you see fit.

Don't forget that he may have brain damage left over from AIDS.

Wait, What? AAAAAAhahahahahahahahaha

[FatAndFaithless]

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You literally started this thread by saying that black people as a group were comparable to Nazis because they don't put America first.  Talk about us and them...

Ah... nuupe I didn't.

That's call spin sport. Spin is when one cherry picks and then re-imagines a close but new meaning to what was said.

This is literally what you said. 

So why aren't black people as an stand alone group seen as equals? The same reason Koreans who support the Kim regime are not seen as equals, for the same reason white who support communism or Nazi socialism are not seen as equals or any other race who does not support America first