NK is threatening with nuking US

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I mean, weren't we the country behind the Korean War?

No, the DPRK invaded South Korea.

Not the politically correct version of history.

[Kosh]

I don't know. What I do know though is that he is playing one hell of a dangerous game. He has called Trump things like, "a mentally deranged person full of megalomania and complacency." I agree with him! He left out, "childlessly egotistical" though.

Unlike Kim, Trump isn't blowing smoke. As President, he has constitutionally unlimited power over the nukes. Others can try to talk him out of it but if he says, "Launch!" those missiles are going to fly. And there are enough of them to burn the whole of NK to the bedrock.

Any responsible President would consider the consequences of such an action without dire provocation. What would it do to our standing in the world community?

Does anybody think Trump is going to reason it out? Make an informed, rational decision?

Trump is a simple, school-yard bully who is being taunted by another, much-weaker bully. If Kim has any sense at all, he really should STFU.  Unfortunately, he's just as immature, egotistical and megalomaniacal. He's calculating how far he can push Trump - just as Saddam Husein did with W. Saddam miscalculated and it cost him his life. If Kim miscalculates, it will cost a LOT of lives.

Actually Kim is playing Trump like a violin. He knows Trump is a blowhard who rarely, if ever, goes through on his threats (even his two military actions, in Syria and Afghanistan, were about the show and stroking Trump's ego, not militarily valid actions). And from the last twenty years of geopolitics he'll have seen the US only go after targets which cannot fight back.

Often times the best way with a bully is to show you can hurt them right back. Mostly this means going to authority, but the odd occasion a bloodied nose is more effective.

Lets also not forget that there is very little concern over collateral damage in the middle east.  From a practical standpoint, the US could probably get away with dropping a nuke on Tehran if it wanted.   Very few neighboring "allies" to worry about.

Nuking North Korea is a very different animal.  That area of the world is very densely populated.  South Korea, Japan, and China are all right there.  Even a small yield tactical nuke could have fallout travel to neighboring countries.

[A Theist]

Actually Kim is playing Trump like a violin. He knows Trump is a blowhard who rarely, if ever, goes through on his threats (even his two military actions, in Syria and Afghanistan, were about the show and stroking Trump's ego, not militarily valid actions). And from the last twenty years of geopolitics he'll have seen the US only go after targets which cannot fight back.

Often times the best way with a bully is to show you can hurt them right back. Mostly this means going to authority, but the odd occasion a bloodied nose is more effective.

Lets also not forget that there is very little concern over collateral damage in the middle east.  From a practical standpoint, the US could probably get away with dropping a nuke on Tehran if it wanted.   Very few neighboring "allies" to worry about.

Nuking North Korea is a very different animal.  That area of the world is very densely populated.  South Korea, Japan, and China are all right there.  Even a small yield tactical nuke could have fallout travel to neighboring countries.

The U.S. has a lot of other lethal shit in its arsenal that it could drop on NOKO without using nukes. 

Here's a rundown on which nations have what as far as active nuclear warheads. I don't think North Korea would want that fight with the U.S. 

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• April 2017 New START declaration: 1,411 strategic nuclear warheads deployed on 673 ICBMs, SLBMs, and strategic bombers.
  
• FAS estimates approximately 2,300 non-deployed strategic warheads and roughly 500 deployed and non-deployed tactical warheads.
  
• In a January 2017 speech, Vice President Joe Biden announced that as of September 30, 2016, the United States possessed 4,018 active and inactive nuclear warheads. (Note: This number does not include warheads awaiting dismantlement.)
  
• Biden also announced in January 2017 that approximately 2,800 warheads are retired and await dismantlement........
  

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• Estimated to have enough plutonium for approximately 10 plutonium based warheads as of late 2016.
  
• North Korea operates its 5-megawatt heavy-water graphite-moderated reactor used to extract plutonium in the past for nuclear warheads on an intermittent basis since August 2013. There has also been activity at North Korea's reprocessing facililty in 2016, indicating that Pyongyang has likely separated plutonium from the reactor's spent fuel. 
  
• Unveiled a centrifuge facility in 2010, but unclear if Pyongyang is using the facility to produce highly-enriched uranium for weapons.
  
• Experts estimate that if North Korea is producing highly-enriched uranium, it could have the material for an additional 4-8 uranium based warheads as of 2015, bringing the total to 14-18 warheads. By 2020, experts estimate that North Korea could have anywhere between 20-100 nuclear warheads based on the rate of its stockpile growth and technological improvements. 
  

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/N...whohaswhat

[The Industrial Atheist]

Can we give them the Drumpf to do with as they please in hopes that that will reduce their hatred?

[A Theist]

Can we give them the Drumpf to do with as they please in hopes that that will reduce their hatred?

I doubt it would do anything. NOKO would hate on the U.S. no matter who the president would be. But, if you think Kim is better than President Trump you could probably pack up and move to NOKO.

[vorlon13]

North Korea said Seth Rogan's movie was an act of war.  I'm thinking any or no response from Trump would have been just as provocative as that movie.

[A Theist]

North Korea said Seth Rogan's movie was an act of war.  I'm thinking any or no response from Trump would have been just as provocative as that movie.

I remember that.

[vorlon13]

the little puss filled maggot is in a perpetual state of outrage.

[Anomalocaris]

I mean how come US? Why not Mexico or Canada or Europe or Russia? I mean what do those politicians do that NK doesn't want to nuke them but wants to nuke US?

The direct reason for the regime is those others don’t have a recent track record of inciting regime change, nor having the political and military ability to deploy necessary assets to do so in the near future.

A deeper factor that allowed the regime to behave this way is koreans have a very deep nationalistic outlook, and a sense of many historic injuries,  of having been prevented from attaining unification that is a natural state of any diligent and cohesive ethnic group, resulting in a reflextive grievances against any powerful foreign forces who came and stayed.  

From the North Korean ethnostate-nationalistic perspective, the Americans were the ring leaders in preventing the land of the Koreans from being unified under a strong nationalistic leader like, in their opinion, any ethnostate ought have the right to do.   Furthermore the Americans stayed, and thus subjected whole korea nation to a continued state of division and humiliation, and worse yet the Americans proped up japan, the historic ethnic enemy for which the entire Korean nation bore an almost unquenchable apoplectic hatred.    As an ultimate final straw, the Americans are still sparring no expense to impoverish the only part of Korean homeland free from foreign occupation by denying it international trade, thus trampling on the only part of Korean ethnic pride it hasn’t already crushed.

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Can we give them the Drumpf to do with as they please in hopes that that will reduce their hatred?

They will instantly stop hating us if we give them South Korea and withdraw our forces completely from the Korean Peninsula.

North Korean hatred for the US is because of what we do, not who we are.   Their fear of the Chinese and their hatred of the Japanese, on the other hand, is because of their assessment of who the Chinese and Japanese are based on 2000 years of history, not what the Chinese and Japanese do right now.  The US has only existed in the Korean consciousness for 80 years.   For most of their 2000 year history, they were alternately fending off the Chinese and the Japanese, and offering themselves as vassals to the Chinese in return for protection from the Japanese.

To assign irrationality to the hatred of an enemy may whip up frenzied domestic support for a short term military action, but if such a military action can not offer prospect of resolving the issue, then it is utterly counterproductive to any alternative course.

[The Industrial Atheist]

Can we give them the Drumpf to do with as they please in hopes that that will reduce their hatred?

I doubt it would do anything. NOKO would hate on the U.S. no matter who the president would be. But, if you think Kim is better than President Trump you could probably pack up and move to NOKO.

I think they're both really bad but if you want everyone who thinks Trump is a shitty president to leave, that's %60-70 of the country.

Trump may be better but that's in large part due to our governments checks and balances. If he could be like Kim, maybe he would.

If handing over Trump made them hate us %.05
less I would do it. I like the idea of him suffering for his extreme incompetence.