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Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
#21
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
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#22
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
I gave up when you stated:"If we really are living in such a supernatural universe, then our brains would be transceivers that pick up on divine energy in this universe.".

The universe is not supernatural. Human minds invent supernatural for many reasons. It's a delusion, a fantasy, a myth. You have fallen for it. You claim to not have "delusional mechanisms" but actually you do. If you need this to be happy, that's OK. A lot of people have functional delusions and get along fine within society. That does not mean that I or others need to give any credence to your delusions, other than to acknowledge that you believe your delusions are reality. 

You should probably talk your shrink about your activity here. Something tells me that they have heard it all before.
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#23
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(September 26, 2017 at 8:33 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I gave up when you stated:"If we really are living in such a supernatural universe, then our brains would be transceivers that pick up on divine energy in this universe.".

The universe is not supernatural. Human minds invent supernatural for many reasons. It's a delusion, a fantasy, a myth. You have fallen for it. You claim to not have "delusional mechanisms" but actually you do. If you need this to be happy, that's OK. A lot of people have functional delusions and get along fine within society. That does not mean that I or others need to give any credence to your delusions, other than to acknowledge that you believe your delusions are reality. 

You should probably talk your shrink about your activity here. Something tells me that they have heard it all before.

A delusion, by definition, is when you believe something that isn't true.  I don't actually believe what I said in regards to living in a supernatural universe and our brains being transceivers. I am merely keeping an open mind to it.  How can that be a delusion? I think it is you who has fallen for the delusion of thinking I am being delusional when I clearly said in the beginning that I don't believe in the paranormal or afterlife, but simply keep an open mind to it since I am undecided on it. Given this, you can go back and reread my whole entire post now since your reason for giving up on it is only due to your misconception of me.
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#24
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(September 26, 2017 at 8:36 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:
(September 26, 2017 at 8:33 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I gave up when you stated:"If we really are living in such a supernatural universe, then our brains would be transceivers that pick up on divine energy in this universe.".

The universe is not supernatural. Human minds invent supernatural for many reasons. It's a delusion, a fantasy, a myth. You have fallen for it. You claim to not have "delusional mechanisms" but actually you do. If you need this to be happy, that's OK. A lot of people have functional delusions and get along fine within society. That does not mean that I or others need to give any credence to your delusions, other than to acknowledge that you believe your delusions are reality. 

You should probably talk your shrink about your activity here. Something tells me that they have heard it all before.

A delusion, by definition, is when you believe something that isn't true.  I don't actually believe what I said in regards to living in a supernatural universe and our brains being transceivers. I am merely keeping an open mind to it.  How can that be a delusion?

You have delusional thoughts and thought patterns. You believe things that smell like (appear to be) "true" on the surface but when reviewed critically contain very little truth and a whole lot of fantasy or just plain nonsense. 

de·lu·sion
dəˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
plural noun: delusions

  1. an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.
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#25
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(September 26, 2017 at 8:43 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(September 26, 2017 at 8:36 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: A delusion, by definition, is when you believe something that isn't true.  I don't actually believe what I said in regards to living in a supernatural universe and our brains being transceivers. I am merely keeping an open mind to it.  How can that be a delusion?

You have delusional thoughts and thought patterns. You believe things that smell like (appear to be) "true" on the surface but when reviewed critically contain very little truth and a whole lot of fantasy or just plain nonsense. 

de·lu·sion
dəˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
plural noun: delusions

  1. an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

This makes no sense at all because I never said that I actually believed in these mystical things. Edit: The word impression is there. So, a delusion, by definition, is keeping an open mind to mystical things? Take note that I am ignorant which is why I keep an open mind. Especially since there are so many intelligent researchers on this subject such as Stuart Hameroff and the near death experience researchers. It is an ongoing debate between skeptics and these researchers. I have decided to give up on such research and carry on with my daily life since there is just no way for me to decide one way or the other. As for everything else I've said, just consider me open minded on those things as well.
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#26
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
An open mind is good. A mind so open that you become uncritical, un-skeptical, and gullible is not.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#27
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(September 26, 2017 at 10:10 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: An open mind is good.  A mind so open that you become uncritical, un-skeptical, and gullible is not.

But I have come to the realization that the road to truth is a long journey and that there is no shortcut getting there.  That is why I have to remain open minded because I personally have no interest in studying up on this research and the debates.  It would be no different than how I have no interest in studying up on physics or biology.  So, that leaves me in a position where I can only live my life wondering if the paranormal, afterlife, god, etc. are real or not.
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#28
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(September 26, 2017 at 10:42 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:
(September 26, 2017 at 10:10 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: An open mind is good.  A mind so open that you become uncritical, un-skeptical, and gullible is not.

But I have come to the realization that the road to truth is a long journey and that there is no shortcut getting there.  That is why I have to remain open minded because I personally have no interest in studying up on this research and the debates.  It would be no different than how I have no interest in studying up on physics or biology.  So, that leaves me in a position where I can only live my life wondering if the paranormal, afterlife, god, etc. are real or not.

Bolded mine.

Then why the hell are you even attempting to discuss it if you have no interest in doing any of the footwork? Just like if you have no interest in studying up on biology or phyiscs, don't make a thread full of assertions and woo hand-waving about biology or physics.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#29
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(September 26, 2017 at 10:42 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: So, that leaves me in a position where I can only live my life wondering if the paranormal, afterlife, god, etc. are real or not.

One doesn't have to wonder when there is no evidence to support the supernatural. Are you in the business of wondering whether Santa Clause is real?

If there is no evidence to support the existence of something, then it is reasonable to believe that something does not exist.

When, if, evidence is provided to support the existence of something, then one can reasonably change one's mind to recognize that something as existing.

People simply wanting something to exist without providing the proper evidence, despite the fact there is no evidence to provide, of its existence are not thinking reasonably.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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#30
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(September 26, 2017 at 10:43 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(September 26, 2017 at 10:42 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: But I have come to the realization that the road to truth is a long journey and that there is no shortcut getting there.  That is why I have to remain open minded because I personally have no interest in studying up on this research and the debates.  It would be no different than how I have no interest in studying up on physics or biology.  So, that leaves me in a position where I can only live my life wondering if the paranormal, afterlife, god, etc. are real or not.

Bolded mine.

Then why the hell are you even attempting to discuss it if you have no interest in doing any of the footwork?  Just like if you have no interest in studying up on biology or phyiscs, don't make a thread full of assertions and woo hand-waving about biology or physics.

I was discussing a different topic which would be emotions.  This is an important topic since it is only my positive emotions that give my life good value.  It is vital that others understand this rather than dismissing it.  That is why I am having this discussion.  But it was necessary for me to include spiritual analogies and whatnot to get my arguments and points across.  The discussion I had with that skeptic in that other long post of mine was a discussion of agreement on both sides.  So, I am discussing this topic correctly.  At least, when it comes to the discussion with that skeptic/neuroscientist.

(September 26, 2017 at 10:45 am)Lutrinae Wrote:
(September 26, 2017 at 10:42 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: So, that leaves me in a position where I can only live my life wondering if the paranormal, afterlife, god, etc. are real or not.

One doesn't have to wonder when there is no evidence to support the supernatural.  Are you in the business of wondering whether Santa Clause is real?

If there is no evidence to support the existence of something, then it is reasonable to believe that something does not exist.

When, if, evidence is provided to support the existence of something, then one can reasonably change one's mind to recognize that something as existing.

People simply wanting something to exist without providing the proper evidence, despite the fact there is no evidence to provide, of its existence are not thinking reasonably.

I am open minded towards the idea that there really is evidence out there for these things.  The nde researchers as well as other paranormal researchers would claim they have actual evidence on their side while the skeptics would say they have no evidence at all.  The afterlife/paranormal proponents would then say the skeptics have no evidence on their side.  So, that is why I give up since it is nothing more than an argument that leads nowhere.
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