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RE: Thoughts
October 3, 2017 at 3:37 pm (This post was last modified: October 3, 2017 at 3:38 pm by Whateverist.)
(October 3, 2017 at 3:12 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(October 3, 2017 at 2:09 pm)Whateverist Wrote: So how important is evolution-no/creation-yes to your faith?  If very, I don't think you're building on solid ground.

It's not very important to me but you probably already knew that. I just think both sides have moved beyond what the most recent science seems to be suggesting, i.e. that there is some unknown teleological component(s) to evolutionary processes. I think the ID advocates point out serious flaws in the neo-Darwin paradigm but I also don't see a clear indication of external agency directing natural selection. On the other hand, the neo-Darwinists are ignoring that the odds are so astronomically  stacked against chance that the synthesis has become untenable.


Well I am unaware of any teleological components of evolutionary processes.  I won't say there is an ironclad case to be made for ruling them out.  But certainly the theory of evolution does not in any way depend on them and specifically is not based on them.  It is rather a theory of change over time which accounts for an organism's increasingly improved fit to its environment in the absence of any such guiding hand.
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RE: Thoughts
October 3, 2017 at 4:48 pm
Neo, please link to the relevant papers that suggest teleological components of evolutionary processes.
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October 3, 2017 at 4:54 pm (This post was last modified: October 3, 2017 at 5:03 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
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October 4, 2017 at 8:09 am (This post was last modified: October 4, 2017 at 8:10 am by Harry Nevis.)
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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RE: Thoughts
October 4, 2017 at 10:15 am
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October 4, 2017 at 10:36 am (This post was last modified: October 4, 2017 at 10:41 am by downbeatplumb.)



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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October 13, 2017 at 2:42 am (This post was last modified: October 13, 2017 at 3:13 am by Godscreated.)
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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October 13, 2017 at 3:14 am
Thief and assassin for hire. Member in good standing of the Rogues Guild.
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October 13, 2017 at 3:20 am (This post was last modified: October 13, 2017 at 3:22 am by Godscreated.)
(October 3, 2017 at 1:30 pm)Whateverist Wrote:
(October 3, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  God declares who He is and I just restate them. The bold by me is your statement is backwards, I'm the one who has the greatest friend.

GC


You shouldn't sell yourself short.  You're the one who pulled together all the bits you prefer to emphasize while dropping (I hope) the parts concerning the severity of beating God would have you limit yourself to when beating your slaves.  You don't just aim to follow His word, you follow the parts that seem fitting to you.

 I do not sell myself short I realize who I am and what I need, it is a secure knowledge of life.

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(October 13, 2017 at 3:14 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(October 13, 2017 at 2:42 am)Godscreated Wrote:  there are no transitional fossils, all that is only opinion read what it says. No one was there so no one can say with certainty what is what.GC

Willful ignorance working overtime.

 I'm over you also, you have no reasonable statements, I'm bored with your lack of knowledge. Bye.

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October 13, 2017 at 5:02 am



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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