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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 28, 2017 at 4:36 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 4:34 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: (September 28, 2017 at 4:31 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: "The customer is always right."
As someone who used to work retail, that's straight-up bogus.
Now as someone who teaches college courses, I can safely say that it sometimes seems to be more often the opposite.
Attitudes have certainly changed since I was younger and posting about my disgruntled opinion against the obviously false claim of "the customer is always right".
Now, more and more people are realizing that allowing that statement its power has brought about negative threatment of employees that employers support by siding with the customers.
Exactly. If you side with the customers over the people who have to have trust in you (and you in them), then you've given them reason to stab you in the back.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 28, 2017 at 4:47 pm
What I find equally amusing and troubling is the path these protests have taken in accordance to the criticism leveled at them.
"You're vandalizing these cities! Stop that!" Okay, it's stopped.
"You're blocking traffic! Stop that!" Okay, it's stopped.
"You're peacefully and silently kneeling during a ceremony! Stop that!"
The criticism has increased because it worked before.
I also find the panic and dismay over vandalism funny. Our forefathers committed acts of vandalism (and other things) before their rebellion, and that was over things like taxation, representation in government, and so on. I can only imagine their reaction if they were being arrested and/or killed simply for being colonists. I'm sure it wouldn't be as humane as kneeling during a song.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 28, 2017 at 5:23 pm
Many here are making the assumption that just because people don't consider certain forms of protest appropriate that they are complacent about the issues motivating the protest. That isn't necessarily true.
And many of you are right....people can get their reprieve from leftist scolding and virtue signaling elsewhere. I will.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 28, 2017 at 5:24 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 5:23 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Many here are making the assumption that just because people don't consider certain forms of protest appropriate that they are complacent about the issues motivating the protest. That isn't necessarily true.
And many of you are right....people can get their reprieve from leftist scolding and virtue signaling elsewhere. I will.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 28, 2017 at 6:38 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 5:23 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Many here are making the assumption that just because people don't consider certain forms of protest appropriate that they are complacent about the issues motivating the protest. That isn't necessarily true.
And many of you are right....people can get their reprieve from leftist scolding and virtue signaling elsewhere. I will.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 28, 2017 at 7:31 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 5:23 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Many here are making the assumption that just because people don't consider certain forms of protest appropriate that they are complacent about the issues motivating the protest. That isn't necessarily true.
And many of you are right....people can get their reprieve from leftist scolding and virtue signaling elsewhere. I will.
People in general in America are complacent about inequality and racism, if you can't see that you're blind.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 28, 2017 at 7:34 pm
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Quote:Many here are making the assumption that just because people don't consider certain forms of protest appropriate that they are complacent about the issues motivating the protest. That isn't necessarily true.
Keep telling yourself that Wooter
Quote:And many of you are right....people can get their reprieve from leftist scolding and virtue signaling elsewhere. I will.
I know right because conservatives don't flood airwaves with pretentious moral ism. Oh and calling it scolding and virtue signaling. Thanks for undermining your very own point.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 28, 2017 at 7:42 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 7:31 pm)Losty Wrote: (September 28, 2017 at 5:23 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Many here are making the assumption that just because people don't consider certain forms of protest appropriate that they are complacent about the issues motivating the protest. That isn't necessarily true.
And many of you are right....people can get their reprieve from leftist scolding and virtue signaling elsewhere. I will.
People in general in America are complacent about inequality and racism, if you can't see that you're blind.
... or complacent.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 28, 2017 at 8:19 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 5:23 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Many here are making the assumption that just because people don't consider certain forms of protest appropriate that they are complacent about the issues motivating the protest. That isn't necessarily true.
And many of you are right....people can get their reprieve from leftist scolding and virtue signaling elsewhere. I will.
Virtue Signaling verb
A term used by conservatives to shut down conversations about racism, sexism, and other forms of bigotry. An accusation that’s merely a projection of that conservative’s own lack of virtue.
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RE: What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee
September 28, 2017 at 10:38 pm
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(September 28, 2017 at 1:50 pm)alpha male Wrote: (September 27, 2017 at 8:59 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: You know, I understand that the term "virtue signalling" is out of favour because there's people who use it as an excuse to dismiss ANY sort of morality that doesn't involve being a racist creature from the Id, but is there really a better term for the sort of conspicuous, but empty, display of morality that does nothing but make the participants look better, like, among the many examples to list, insisting on players in a football game standing for the national anthem kneeling during the national anthem?
Works both ways. ... yeah, that was kind of my point.
Granted, the Take a Knee movement is a bit less of an example in my eyes precisely because it's done specifically to protest an empty display of patriotism, (one that only exists because people decided the players should be standing on the field before the anthem and not sitting on the sidelines like was usual before 2009).
But arguing that taking a kneel is itself a largely empty gesture because all it does is draw attention to racial issues that are currently omnipresent in the news anyway, and does bugger all to stop it (possibly because the underlying issues are so entrenched that nothing short of nuking humanity off the face of the earth will stop it), well, that also makes sense.
My point is, the term is largely monopolized by right-wingers who use it to cast aspersions on other people's motives for little displays of their ideals when THEY DO THE EXACT SAME THING THEMSELVES.
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