What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee

[Paraselene]

What do you mean by that? Considering that white people get killed by cops, your statement seems nonsensical to me.

[henryp]

Alpha, do you have a place you go to have these kinds of discussions with smarter people? Or is this mostly a fun hobby?

[John V]

Nobody changed shit asshole. I am on his side jackass. 

Blacks don't want all the crime, they don't want blacks killing other blacks, and they don't want cops killing blacks. He was, just like the NFL was finally unified by 45s racist bullshit comments, they were all protesting the same fucking thing.

45 was pandering to bigots wrapping it up in fascist nationalism, he got called out on it. I am simply sorry it took 45s sick comments for more to wake up. Kaepernick was protesting long before this weekend. He was doing the same thing Ali and other black athletes were doing in the 60s and 70s.

The NFL rightfully bitch slapped 45. More people, not just pro athletes but more people need to protest like Kaepernick.

You know Kaepernick changed his mind and said he'd stand back in March, right? Just before he hit free agency...although I'm sure that was just a coincidence.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18805...ext-season

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What do you mean by that? Considering that white people get killed by cops, your statement seems nonsensical to me.

Interesting that you asked me to use words, but then you reply with a cartoon. 

I'll take that as admission you can't make real sense out of your earlier statement either.

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Alpha, do you have a place you go to have these kinds of discussions with smarter people?  Or is this mostly a fun hobby?

Mostly a hobby. 

[Brian37]

Nobody changed shit asshole. I am on his side jackass. 

Blacks don't want all the crime, they don't want blacks killing other blacks, and they don't want cops killing blacks. He was, just like the NFL was finally unified by 45s racist bullshit comments, they were all protesting the same fucking thing.

45 was pandering to bigots wrapping it up in fascist nationalism, he got called out on it. I am simply sorry it took 45s sick comments for more to wake up. Kaepernick was protesting long before this weekend. He was doing the same thing Ali and other black athletes were doing in the 60s and 70s.

The NFL rightfully bitch slapped 45. More people, not just pro athletes but more people need to protest like Kaepernick.

You know Kaepernick changed his mind and said he'd stand back in March, right? Just before he hit free agency...although I'm sure that was just a coincidence.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18805...ext-season

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Interesting that you asked me to use words, but then you reply with a cartoon. 

I'll take that as admission you can't make real sense out of your earlier statement either.

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Alpha, do you have a place you go to have these kinds of discussions with smarter people?  Or is this mostly a fun hobby?

Mostly a hobby. 

Yep because racism is a "hobby".

Glad you find this funny asshole. Keep proving yourself to be a fucking dick.

[The Grand Nudger]

Brian, racism -is- a hobby for racists.  That's exactly how it's chiefly employed.

[Rev. Rye]

You are not helping blacks by basically shitting on them for using their positions to point out social inequality.

First, in general, I think racial inequality is propagated by focusing on it. Where I live, racism is lower now than it was when I was a child, but there weren't any protests. People have just realized that skin color shouldn't be a big deal. Racism will never be gone completely as our brains are hard-wired to sort things by appearance. But, looking at my parents' generation, my own, and my children's - and the election of a black president - I figured nine years ago that we were well on our way to becoming as post-racial as possible. Now, after 8 years of a black president, race relations are worse than before. Personally I think the powers that be on the left want racism to continue in order to get votes.

Strange, considering that, from what I remember of the last nine years, it's the right who's been engaging in blatant race-baiting, not just on the usual post-9/11 targets of Mexicans and Muslims, but I've also seen people citing Obama's blackness as a demerit on his character and using it as an excuse to propagate a bullshit rumour that he was born in Kenya, a rise in conservative news media singling out black people as criminals, a major presidential candidate who explicitly said he didn't want to use welfare to make black peoples' lives better (and also may or may not have called Obama the N-word):



And now, we have Trump, relying on exploiting racial hatred to an extent not seen since George Wallace ran for president in 1968, and WINNING THE GODDAM WHITE HOUSE.

While I can certainly see that there are some on the left who seem to prefer a state of perpetual race war to a prospective post-racial America, it seems they make up a smaller (but possibly more vocal) minority than you seem to think, not having that much influence in the real world. It's telling that the biggest public spokesperson for that worldview is probably Azaelia Banks, who doesn't even seem to have enough pull to get her damn albums out in a timely fashion, let alone any political power (and she wound up voting for Trump, anyway).

You would have to be living in an alternate universe to seriously believe that it's the LEFT and not the right who's been doing most of the heavy lifting to undo the racial progress made in America in the last couple years.

[John V]

Here's a former NFL player who is living in that alternate universe:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/...amily.html

[Brian37]

First, in general, I think racial inequality is propagated by focusing on it. Where I live, racism is lower now than it was when I was a child, but there weren't any protests. People have just realized that skin color shouldn't be a big deal. Racism will never be gone completely as our brains are hard-wired to sort things by appearance. But, looking at my parents' generation, my own, and my children's - and the election of a black president - I figured nine years ago that we were well on our way to becoming as post-racial as possible. Now, after 8 years of a black president, race relations are worse than before. Personally I think the powers that be on the left want racism to continue in order to get votes.

Strange, considering that, from what I remember of the last nine years, it's the right who's been engaging in blatant race-baiting, not just on the usual post-9/11 targets of Mexicans and Muslims, but I've also seen people citing Obama's blackness as a demerit on his character and using it as an excuse to propagate a bullshit rumour that he was born in Kenya, a rise in conservative news media singling out black people as criminals, a major presidential candidate who explicitly said he didn't want to use welfare to make black peoples' lives better (and also may or may not have called Obama the N-word):



And now, we have Trump, relying on exploiting racial hatred to an extent not seen since George Wallace ran for president in 1968, and WINNING THE GODDAM WHITE HOUSE.

While I can certainly see that there are some on the left who seem to prefer a state of perpetual race war to a prospective post-racial America, it seems they make up a smaller (but possibly more vocal) minority than you seem to think, not having that much influence in the real world. It's telling that the biggest public spokesperson for that worldview is probably Azaelia Banks, who doesn't even seem to have enough pull to get her damn albums out in a timely fashion, let alone any political power (and she wound up voting for Trump, anyway).

You would have to be living in an alternate universe to seriously believe that it's the LEFT and not the right who's been doing most of the heavy lifting to undo the racial progress made in America in the last couple years.

No fucking shit. I agree.

"You are the real racists" has to be the most vile rhetoric and galactic Orwellian doublespeak used by the GOP.

The only lagit argument that can be aimed at the left is that we unfortunately have in the past, as per example Bill's "tough on crime" bills, we stupidly tried to compete with the GOP and far too often we allow their bad economic policies and race baiting to control the narrative.

We simply need to stop trying to compromise or compete with them. Dems need to lead, not compete.

[LadyForCamus]

Alpha, you do understand the difference between correlation and causation, don't you?

Why is it that you're happy to discuss explainations for these statistics when the posited cause is, "black people are inherently more violent," but when someone offers you an alternative explanation your response is, "the cause is irrelevant." It's funny that you thought you could just slide right by that one without anyone noticing. Talk about changing the conversation to make it more palatable, lol.

The cause is NOT irrelevant; the cause is the crux of this debate.

[Brian37]

Alpha, you do understand the difference between correlation and causation, don't you?

Why is it that you're happy to discuss explainations for these statistics when the posited cause is, "black people are inherently more violent," but when someone offers you an alternative explanation your response is, "the cause is irrelevant."  It's funny that you thought you could just slide right by that one without anyone noticing.  Talk about changing the conversation to make it more palatable, lol.

The cause is NOT irrelevant; the cause is the crux of this debate.

I don't think he is capable of understanding shit considering that it offends him that someone non violently kneels and white players agree with them, but a black guy gets choked to death on camera, doesn't offend him.