What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee

[Silver]

Sure, it can happen. So ignore his race - can you dispute his facts?

I saw an opinion piece, I'll give you that.

[John V]

Alpha simply loves pointing and blaming because that is easier than understanding.

Alpha stupidly confuses an explanation of economic conditions as meaning blacks love poverty and crime. That allows Alpha to pull the bullshit white persecution bullshit while trying to pathetically claim blaming blacks is forcing them to take responsibility.

Nobody is advocating blacks default to crime and murder. Nobody is advocating a poverty oath to prove your support for blacks. What the players are protesting, what the sane are protesting, and what we still not have solved even 50 years after the end of segregation, is economic and justice inequality.

Alpha is simply living in a fucking bubble with his fingers in his ears and hands over his eyes, and blame is the petty and lazy way of coddling one's own insecurities in order to ignore a uncomfortable and harsh reality.

Alpha is on record as acknowledging that he receives white privilege.

Alpha is on record as supporting affirmative action to help minorities out of poverty.

But Alpha understands that when a group - be it males or blacks - commit violent crimes at higher frequency than other groups, they will also have violent encounters with police at higher frequency than other groups.

[Brian37]

It's no red herring. It's obvious that groups which commit more violent crime are more likely to have encounters with police. I don't hear you denying that with respect to male v. female.

I don't see these cops shooting down the white people they encounter during a given shift; it's just the black people they're gunning down.  Can you explain that?

They don't just murder blacks at a higher rate with firearms, they get shot in the back, they get choked to death, and they even die in cells after being falsely arrested over a minor traffic ticket.

Alpha's solution? Don't be black in public.

[TheBeardedDude]

Alpha simply loves pointing and blaming because that is easier than understanding.

Alpha stupidly confuses an explanation of economic conditions as meaning blacks love poverty and crime. That allows Alpha to pull the bullshit white persecution bullshit while trying to pathetically claim blaming blacks is forcing them to take responsibility.

Nobody is advocating blacks default to crime and murder. Nobody is advocating a poverty oath to prove your support for blacks. What the players are protesting, what the sane are protesting, and what we still not have solved even 50 years after the end of segregation, is economic and justice inequality.

Alpha is simply living in a fucking bubble with his fingers in his ears and hands over his eyes, and blame is the petty and lazy way of coddling one's own insecurities in order to ignore a uncomfortable and harsh reality.

Alpha is on record as acknowledging that he receives white privilege.

Alpha is on record as supporting affirmative action to help minorities out of poverty.

But Alpha understands that when a group - be it males or blacks - commit violent crimes at higher frequency than other groups, they will also have violent encounters with police at higher frequency than other groups.

But Alpha doesn't acknowledge the inherent racism behind WHY minorities have more frequent encounters with police.



edit to add: one of the best examples of what the issue is that I can think of off of the top of my head is the episode of Rick and Morty this season where it follows a Morty and a Rick who are cops.

[John V]

And yet you seem to ignore WHY minorities have more encounters with police.

Yes, I do, and I've explained why - once police need to step in, the WHY no longer matters. It's just the WHAT that matters at that point.

Remember, Kaepernick was mainly protesting the police - "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

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Alpha is on record as acknowledging that he receives white privilege.

Alpha is on record as supporting affirmative action to help minorities out of poverty.

But Alpha understands that when a group - be it males or blacks - commit violent crimes at higher frequency than other groups, they will also have violent encounters with police at higher frequency than other groups.

But Alpha doesn't acknowledge the inherent racism behind WHY minorities have more frequent encounters with police.

I'd say that acknowledging white privilege certainly acknowledges inherent racism.

[TheBeardedDude]

And yet you seem to ignore WHY minorities have more encounters with police.

Yes, I do, and I've explained why - once police need to step in, the WHY no longer matters. It's just the WHAT that matters at that point.

Remember, Kaepernick was mainly protesting the police - "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

Racist policing is the problem. A community constantly under the thread of racist policing, won't possess the respect for police that you and they feel they deserve. Respect is earned, not merely given. So no, you don't acknowledge the real problems nor do you acknowledge that racist policing can't lead to legitimate policing. You need to mature your arguments.

[John V]

They don't just murder blacks at a higher rate with firearms, they get shot in the back, they get choked to death, and they even die in cells after being falsely arrested over a minor traffic ticket.

Alpha's solution? Don't be black in public.

What's your solution Brian? If you guys came up with something more than Derp racism are bad  I might be able to support you.

[TheBeardedDude]

And yet you seem to ignore WHY minorities have more encounters with police.

Yes, I do, and I've explained why - once police need to step in, the WHY no longer matters. It's just the WHAT that matters at that point.

Remember, Kaepernick was mainly protesting the police - "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

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But Alpha doesn't acknowledge the inherent racism behind WHY minorities have more frequent encounters with police.

I'd say that acknowledging white privilege certainly acknowledges inherent racism.

White privilege isn't the only issue at hand when it comes to racism in the US. Minorities being racially profiled and treated with racial prejudice by people who are supposed to be peace officers, is the topic at hand. Those same peace officers unequivocally murdering minorities for seemingly no other reason or justification than "I was scared" is the issue at hand. If they are too scared to do their job correctly and objectively, then they need to get into another profession where they aren't equipped with the means and authority to harm innocent citizens.

[John V]

Racist policing is the problem. A community constantly under the thread of racist policing, won't possess the respect for police that you and they feel they deserve. Respect is earned, not merely given. So no, you don't acknowledge the real problems nor do you acknowledge that racist policing can't lead to legitimate policing. You need to mature your arguments.

So men are 95% of deaths because sexist policing is the problem?

You keep ignoring this fact which blows away your simplistic stats argument.

[TheBeardedDude]

They don't just murder blacks at a higher rate with firearms, they get shot in the back, they get choked to death, and they even die in cells after being falsely arrested over a minor traffic ticket.

Alpha's solution? Don't be black in public.

What's your solution Brian? If you guys came up with something more than Derp racism are bad  I might be able to support you.

Better training for police that includes more than just teaching them how to kill people. Teaching them how to deal with the mentally ill is one good step forward. Getting rid of the racist cops is another good step (the FBI has known for sometime that local police forces have been intentionally infiltrated by racist groups). Homogenizing training across the US is another good step. Body cameras being used and not abused is another good step. And perhaps most importantly, recognizing the systemic problems in society at large that promote inequality and culling them. Such as the unequal funding of schools in areas with large minority populations.

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Racist policing is the problem. A community constantly under the thread of racist policing, won't possess the respect for police that you and they feel they deserve. Respect is earned, not merely given. So no, you don't acknowledge the real problems nor do you acknowledge that racist policing can't lead to legitimate policing. You need to mature your arguments.

So men are 95% of deaths because sexist policing is the problem?

You keep ignoring this fact which blows away your simplistic stats argument.

That is a straw man of what I actually said. Men being killed because of the perception of them being a larger and more significant threat is still NOT the topic at hand. This men's rights bullshit is another topic entirely.