What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee

[Brian37]

I love it that he lays the blame for black violence on single parent families, and yet totally fails to figure out that the reasons black people have so many single parent families is because of their oppression; do you know that, back in slavery days, when two slaves married, the vows changed the line "till death do you part" to " till death or distance do you part"? Because there remained the understanding that Massa could legally separate any slave family for any reason. And this was the standard state of affairs until 1865. So please tell us that it's somehow not a result of racism.

Only nowadays it's because the government has jailed them, often wrongly or under unduly harsh sentences applied in a racially discriminatory manner.

The sad fact is that this can become a vicious circle that interacts with issues like poverty and school funding and results in an endemic minority underclass in the absence of programs designed to break these cycles.

Oddly enough, most conservatives are staunchly against such programs. I wonder why?

It is not just schools. It is economics at it's core, for both poor urban blacks and poor rural whites. If the top 1% and the religious right can use politics to divide the races and classes that keeps everyone divided and desperate, corporations keep their cheap labor, the entire country keeps having to compensate for what the rich don't pay which ends up in another econmic bubble. Race and class are how the GOP divide.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Kneeling is not a sign of protest or rebellion.  It is a sign of supplication and asking for mercy.  If I was going to protest during the singing of the national anthem I would never take a knee.  I would simply stay seated and eat a hot dog and ignore the whole thing because it would be irrelevant to me.  

It's gotten to the point where the critics either accept the kneeling and stop whining about it or else other forms of passive or active signs of protest will result.  

The current situation of mass hysteria over the flag and national anthem is reminiscent of Nazi parades.  https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8F9rEZiGT-U/maxresdefault.jpg

http://rexcurry.net/pledge_of_allegiance_nazism.jpg

So the central question is this just another government psych ops?  It could be.  Trump wants to institute economic and criminal penalties for all who don't toe the line.  He wants to have periodic military parades, with flags and tanks and planes.  A while ago they were testing the effects of bath salts on people in various cities.  So who is behind this and how are they managing it to achieve their objectives?  And what will be the result when they do achieve their objectives?  We could be on the brink of a real oppressive totalitarian regime.  Remember, the easiest way to control people is to distract them so that they don't realize that they are being controlled.

[Foxaèr]

Kneeling is not a sign of protest or rebellion.  It is a sign of supplication and asking for mercy.  If I was going to protest during the singing of the national anthem I would never take a knee.  I would simply stay seated and eat a hot dog and ignore the whole thing because it would be irrelevant to me.  

I was going to mention something similar, but I felt my opinion would be dismissed.

Kneeling, for me, as you have mentioned, is a sign of supplication. One kneels to pray; therefore, kneeling during the anthem could be considered a sign of respect for the anthem.

Sitting it out would be the real disrespect.

[LadyForCamus]

Wow nice stretch there asshole. "Buttfuck" was aimed at you. FYI dipshit, I like anal sex. It is possible for heterosexuals to like anal sex and also defend the rights of gays to do the same thing.

Be consistent "asshole" also refers to your butt, funny that you didn't call me a homophobe when I REPEATEDLY called you an asshole.

So when I call bullshit on your racism, you make it about jobs, when I call you out on that bullshit you falsely accuse me of being a homophobe.

FYI I find it very acceptable in consensual adult relationships to have anal sex, both gay or heterosexual. 

I called you a buttfuck in the same manor as calling you a dick, or an asshole, having nothing one bit to do with condemning gays.

Ok, since you don't like "buttfuck" how about "buttnugget"..... That means you are a dingleberry hanging off your butt hair.

Actually I was referring to the choke on a dick part. You're apparently trying to insult me, so you were using a gay sex act as an insult.

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Maybe Thump can go through the thread and count who's used "blacks" the most, and thereby rank our Hammy racism!

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Or that the oppression continued in a form that was usually less overt, but possibly more insidious, than in the days of Jim Crow, despite the government saying it was going to at least maintain some pretense that they were truly equal in the eyes of the law.

Yeah, good luck with that argument.

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I was merely correcting your strawman.

Alpha, your argument seems to go something to the tune of, 'anyone who commits a crime deserves to be gunned down by the police.'  I guess I'm just waiting for you to explain your reasoning.  Am I wrong?

You'll have to keep waiting because, frankly, I don't like you. Bye.

Oh, I'll be on the edge of my seat. 😘


I know it hurts when people point out your bad reasoning.  It's okay. 😏

[Brian37]

Kneeling is not a sign of protest or rebellion.  It is a sign of supplication and asking for mercy.  If I was going to protest during the singing of the national anthem I would never take a knee.  I would simply stay seated and eat a hot dog and ignore the whole thing because it would be irrelevant to me.  

I was going to mention something similar, but I felt my opinion would be dismissed.

Kneeling, for me, as you have mentioned, is a sign of supplication.  One kneels to pray; therefore, kneeling during the anthem could be considered a sign of respect for the anthem.

Sitting it out would be the real disrespect.

Um no. I think sitting or kneeling are not the social norm, sure. But doing anything even locking arms isn't what we see normally. I don't see any "disrespect" kneeling, sitting, locking arms, or even flat out ignoring considering the ritual is voluntary and not mandated by the government.

I hate the word "respect". Not just on this issue, but most of the time even in mundane life. Far too often it means, "know your place" or "don't bruise my ego'. 

I don't use that word. I say "value" and the only thing I value are rights, not claims, not bad logic. I value your right to kneel, stand, sit and even ignore when it comes to a voluntary ritual.

What frightens me is that we have a sitting president vilifying anyone who does not partake in voluntary ritual.

[Edwardo Piet]

I was merely correcting your strawman.

Alpha, your argument seems to go something to the tune of, 'anyone who commits a crime deserves to be gunned down by the police.'  I guess I'm just waiting for you to explain your reasoning.  Am I wrong?

You'll have to keep waiting because, frankly, I don't like you. Bye.

LFC is extremely lovely. So it's no surprise you don't like her.

My first girlfriend was a complete bitch and one of the best ways to tell whether I was going to like someone was if she thought they were an asshole or bitch. If she said they were an asshole or bitch they were normally an amazing guy or great girl.

I already think LFC is great but from now on I'm gonna take notice of who you dislike and use it as a way to judge who else out there is nice

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Hey guys... it's time to go home now... I think I've broken him.

With Ctrl+F it was really easy to show the stupidity of your position. Did you expect me to just pass that up?

Stupidity my ass. I didn't realize it was common in America to refer to black people as 'blacks'. Over here we don't say that.

I was ignorant. Not stupid.

You're stupid for being unable to tell the difference.

I also totally broke you because you went on a tirade over several posts over one remark I made

[Foxaèr]

Alpha's way of responding to the really tough questions is typical of that in relation to Republican politicians, from what I've seen, by which I mean he skirts the questions.

[Edwardo Piet]

Oh, I'll be on the edge of my seat. 😘


I know it hurts when people point out your bad reasoning.  It's okay. 😏

Hey LFC, sweetie, how do you make those awesome emoticons? I used to use the Tapatalk codes you used because they were awesome emoticons but they stopped working. Now you are using emoticons but when I quote you it doesn't show the code.

I'm guessing it's Unicode. Which I can never get to work

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I was going to mention something similar, but I felt my opinion would be dismissed.

Kneeling, for me, as you have mentioned, is a sign of supplication.  One kneels to pray; therefore, kneeling during the anthem could be considered a sign of respect for the anthem.

Sitting it out would be the real disrespect.

Um no. I think sitting or kneeling are not the social norm, sure. But doing anything even locking arms isn't what we see normally. I don't see any "disrespect" kneeling, sitting, locking arms, or even flat out ignoring considering the ritual is voluntary and not mandated by the government.

I hate the word "respect". Not just on this issue, but most of the time even in mundane life. Far too often it means, "know your place" or "don't bruise my ego'. 

I don't use that word. I say "value" and the only thing I value are rights, not claims, not bad logic. I value your right to kneel, stand, sit and even ignore when it comes to a voluntary ritual.

What frightens me is that we have a sitting president vilifying anyone who does not partake in voluntary ritual.

Well, it's not exactly voluntary since a certain behavior is codified into federal law.  It's more like a "firm do it".

[Thumpalumpacus]

Why is it always racist people who refer to black people as 'blacks'?

Hmm. I guess it's kind of like how homophobes refer to gay people as 'the gays'.

This is nonsense. I use the term "blacks" myself. You want to call me racist? Every black person I've talked to about indicates that they're fine with it. I'll take their word over yours.

ETA: I got caught up on the thread and read Hammy's mea culpa. With my apologies, please ignore this post.