The atheists catch 22 situation.

[Minimalist]

You are the guy who said that the Nestorians are those who spread Christianity in India, are you?

And so they did.  You can either read the carefully researched book, J. P. Jenkins The Lost History of Christianity, or you can continue to swallow church "tradition" as if that horseshit means anything.  Your choice.  It's no skin off of my ass if you want to remain ignorant.

[possibletarian]

Most atheists say..........well if God is real why then He doesn't show to us?

Before to make my comment I show you how Jesus put this question.

19. Unaided by the Spirit-breath, the work of intellection tends to solve the problems of the things we see, and nothing more.
20. The senses were ordained to bring into the mind mere pictures of the things that pass away; they do not deal with real things; they do not comprehend eternal law.
21. But man has something in his soul, a something that will tear the veil apart that he may see the world of real things.
22. We call this something, spirit consciousness; it sleeps in every soul, and cannot be awakened till the Holy Breath becomes a welcome guest.
23. This Holy Breath knocks at the door of every soul, but cannot enter in until the will of man throws wide the door.
24. There is no power in intellect to turn the key; philosophy and science both have toiled to get a glimpse behind the veil; but they have failed.
25. The secret spring that throws ajar the door of soul is touched by nothing else than purity in life, by prayer and holy thought.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/agjc/agjc047.htm

It say.........cannot enter in until the will of man throws wide the door.........

You see?
Is all about opening.
How someone who is not interested in this opening can perceive God.
Isn't it a catch 22 situation?
On one hand atheists would like to get evidence but at the same time they keep the door shut so how can God    
enter?

I guess you guy never thought about it, did you?  

[quote='Little Rik' pid='1637786' dateline='1507985799']
Most atheists say..........well if God is real why then He doesn't show to us?

Before to make my comment I show you how Jesus put this question.

19. Unaided by the Spirit-breath, the work of intellection tends to solve the problems of the things we see, and nothing more.
20. The senses were ordained to bring into the mind mere pictures of the things that pass away; they do not deal with real things; they do not comprehend eternal law.
21. But man has something in his soul, a something that will tear the veil apart that he may see the world of real things.
22. We call this something, spirit consciousness; it sleeps in every soul, and cannot be awakened till the Holy Breath becomes a welcome guest.
23. This Holy Breath knocks at the door of every soul, but cannot enter in until the will of man throws wide the door.
24. There is no power in intellect to turn the key; philosophy and science both have toiled to get a glimpse behind the veil; but they have failed.
25. The secret spring that throws ajar the door of soul is touched by nothing else than purity in life, by prayer and holy thought.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/agjc/agjc047.htm

It say.........cannot enter in until the will of man throws wide the door.........

You see?
Is all about opening.
How someone who is not interested in this opening can perceive God.
Isn't it a catch 22 situation?
On one hand atheists would like to get evidence but at the same time they keep the door shut so how can God    
enter?

I guess you guy never thought about it, did you?  

We have read it though in multiple forms, a simpler way of saying it is 'You cannot believe until you believe enough to let belief in' which is nonsense, and can of course apply to any religion, dogma, fantasy, Harry Potter book or any conspiracy theory.

Normally people ask for evidence that once a leap of faith is taken then there will be clear evidence that what you have been promised is actually delivered, i mean other than believing it !

[Mystic]

According to the 4th Succeeding Leader of the Navigating Captaincy of Mohammad, Imam Ali ibn Al-Hussain, Zainal Abideen (adornment of the worshipers),

Wow.  Does that come with a secret handshake or something?

 Exactly a secret handshake that awakens a hidden weapon in the human spirit and also some Kun Fo fighting against Iblis and his forces!

[Minimalist]

Could he hit a curve ball?

[Little Rik]

You are the guy who said that the Nestorians are those who spread Christianity in India, are you?

And so they did.  You can either read the carefully researched book, J. P. Jenkins The Lost History of Christianity, or you can continue to swallow church "tradition" as if that horseshit means anything.  Your choice.  It's no skin off of my ass if you want to remain ignorant.

Who are you trying to fool son?

If you only would stop drinking  and refresh your memory you would know what I am talking about.
Just leave the booze bottle alone and concentrate on some previous posts.

Remember a week ago or so ago when we were talking about the Apostle Thomas in India?  
You were saying that it wasn't him that spread Christianity in south India but were the Nestorians instead.

Remember Min?
Didn't I explained to you that the Nestorians were in India 3 to 400 hundred years after Christianity was already established in India?
That is where your dogma and BS is.
Got it now?  

[I_am_not_mafia]

So I've been following your advice Little Prik and started doing some intuitional science and came across some interesting results. I've been experimenting with astral projection. It turns out that we all do it when we sleep, but unless you practise lucid dreaming you don't realise. Anyway, I have found that geographical distance is not the same as distance within the mass unconscious. The latter is more like 6 degrees of separation. We're all connected in a psychic network and once you spend any time conversing with one another a psychic link gets added to the network in the mass unconscious. Long story short, it has been possible to track you down. I'm currently experimenting on seeing whether I can inhabit other people's body's when their soul is away travelling during their sleep. If you could start recording a log of how you feel every morning when you wake up then it would be useful when comparing with my attempts to astrally project into your body.

[Little Rik]

Most atheists say..........well if God is real why then He doesn't show to us?

Before to make my comment I show you how Jesus put this question.

19. Unaided by the Spirit-breath, the work of intellection tends to solve the problems of the things we see, and nothing more.
20. The senses were ordained to bring into the mind mere pictures of the things that pass away; they do not deal with real things; they do not comprehend eternal law.
21. But man has something in his soul, a something that will tear the veil apart that he may see the world of real things.
22. We call this something, spirit consciousness; it sleeps in every soul, and cannot be awakened till the Holy Breath becomes a welcome guest.
23. This Holy Breath knocks at the door of every soul, but cannot enter in until the will of man throws wide the door.
24. There is no power in intellect to turn the key; philosophy and science both have toiled to get a glimpse behind the veil; but they have failed.
25. The secret spring that throws ajar the door of soul is touched by nothing else than purity in life, by prayer and holy thought.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/agjc/agjc047.htm

It say.........cannot enter in until the will of man throws wide the door.........

You see?
Is all about opening.
How someone who is not interested in this opening can perceive God.
Isn't it a catch 22 situation?
On one hand atheists would like to get evidence but at the same time they keep the door shut so how can God enter?

I guess you guy never thought about it, did you?  

We have read it though in multiple forms, a simpler way of saying it is 'You cannot believe until you believe enough to let belief in' which is nonsense, and can of course apply to any religion, dogma, fantasy, Harry Potter book or any conspiracy theory.

Normally people ask for evidence that once a leap of faith is taken then there will be clear evidence that what you have been promised is actually delivered, i mean other than believing it !

There are some similarities between physical love and spiritual love.

In both cases when you are interested in someone you got to show your interest to the other party.
The similarities however end up here because in the case of physical love the other party may not be 100% sure that your interest in him-her are genuine but in God case he can read your mind so there is no way you can fool him.

Now the question is.........how can an atheist have a genuine wish to establish a real relationship with God
considering his-her attitude toward him?
Atheists are generally intellectuals and the intellect has got big big problems.
Atheists think that by using the intellect they can understand everything but God can not be understand with the mind.
It is a love relationship therefore God can only be understood with the heart.
And here the similarities with physical love are back.

How can anyone love with the brain?
I guess you never thought about that POSS, did you?  

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So I've been following your advice Little Prik and started doing some intuitional science and came across some interesting results. I've been experimenting with astral projection. It turns out that we all do it when we sleep, but unless you practise lucid dreaming you don't realise. Anyway, I have found that geographical distance is not the same as distance within the mass unconscious. The latter is more like 6 degrees of separation. We're all connected in a psychic network and once you spend any time conversing with one another a psychic link gets added to the network in the mass unconscious. Long story short, it has been possible to track you down. I'm currently experimenting on seeing whether I can inhabit other people's body's when their soul is away travelling during their sleep. If you could start recording a log of how you feel every morning when you wake up then it would be useful when comparing with my attempts to astrally project into your body.

That is not the way that my spiritual teacher teaches.
Some people are eager to acquire special power to do this or that but that way is very very dangerous because once you get your way in than you want more and more until you want everything.
In this way you fall down consciously speaking and may well reborn in an animal form.

I leave that to you.
I prefer to climb the way up according to the rules.
In this way I stay up.

[possibletarian]

We have read it though in multiple forms, a simpler way of saying it is 'You cannot believe until you believe enough to let belief in' which is nonsense, and can of course apply to any religion, dogma, fantasy, Harry Potter book or any conspiracy theory.

Normally people ask for evidence that once a leap of faith is taken then there will be clear evidence that what you have been promised is actually delivered, i mean other than believing it !

There are some similarities between physical love and spiritual love.

In both cases when you are interested in someone you got to show your interest to the other party.
The similarities however end up here because in the case of physical love the other party may not be 100% sure that your interest in him-her are genuine but in God case he can read your mind so there is no way you can fool him.

Now the question is.........how can an atheist have a genuine wish to establish a real relationship with God
considering his-her attitude toward him?
Atheists are generally intellectuals and the intellect has got big big problems.
Atheists think that by using the intellect they can understand everything but God can not be understand with the mind.
It is a love relationship therefore God can only be understood with the heart.
And here the similarities with physical love are back.

How can anyone love with the brain?
I guess you never thought about that POSS, did you?  

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Loving with the heart is an expression, just because you get gooey feelings all over your body when in love does not mean it's those body parts thinking. The heart does not love or hate it all happens in your head. Do you know of any love experienced outside the brain. ?

[I_am_not_mafia]

So I've been following your advice Little Prik and started doing some intuitional science and came across some interesting results. I've been experimenting with astral projection. It turns out that we all do it when we sleep, but unless you practise lucid dreaming you don't realise. Anyway, I have found that geographical distance is not the same as distance within the mass unconscious. The latter is more like 6 degrees of separation. We're all connected in a psychic network and once you spend any time conversing with one another a psychic link gets added to the network in the mass unconscious. Long story short, it has been possible to track you down. I'm currently experimenting on seeing whether I can inhabit other people's body's when their soul is away travelling during their sleep. If you could start recording a log of how you feel every morning when you wake up then it would be useful when comparing with my attempts to astrally project into your body.

That is not the way that my spiritual teacher teaches.
Some people are eager to acquire special power to do this or that but that way is very very dangerous because once you get your way in than you want more and more until you want everything.
In this way you fall down consciously speaking and may well reborn in an animal form.

I leave that to you.
I prefer to climb the way up according to the rules.
In this way I stay up.  

I definitely want more power. How do I go about getting it? Are you suggesting that I could sap other people's spiritual power when I astrally project into their bodies when they are asleep? That sounds promising! It would be like being a burglar and stealing everyone's stuff from their homes when they're out at work. Exciting! The perfect crime because no one would know! Maybe I could do a bit of vandalism as well. That would appeal to my sense of humour.

Yeah, the whole animals thing doesn't bother me because if I reincarnate as one I won't have the intellect or memories to know why.

[Cyberman]

I definitely want more power.

The engines cannae take it, Captain! If ah push mah puir wee bairns any more, they're ganna tear apart!