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RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 4:28 pm
(November 1, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Losty Wrote: (November 1, 2017 at 3:44 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I did it for a purpose and have made my point. My only hope is that people will recognize the blatant hypocrisy. We shall see.
Blatant hypocrisy by whom? That's what I want to know. I've seen you an CL making accusations of hypocrisy but it seems like apart from a small group everyone is fed up with this from both sides. Religious or atheist, liberal or conservative, I know for me at least I'm tired of seeing the forum be nothing but trolling and flaming. We used to have real discussions and a much friendlier atmosphere and I'm ready to see that again.
My accusation of hypocrisy was aimed at all the people who were giving Neo crap for generalizing but never say a word (or sometimes even participate) on the many other threads that generalize.
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RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 4:33 pm
(November 1, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (November 1, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Losty Wrote: Blatant hypocrisy by whom? That's what I want to know. I've seen you an CL making accusations of hypocrisy but it seems like apart from a small group everyone is fed up with this from both sides. Religious or atheist, liberal or conservative, I know for me at least I'm tired of seeing the forum be nothing but trolling and flaming. We used to have real discussions and a much friendlier atmosphere and I'm ready to see that again.
Me too. I'm glad for the new rule. It stopped being fun after Trump. But I would invite you to look at who is flaming and trolling instead of encouraging debate and discussion. We social conservatives would like to be able to have a conversation without being accused at every turn by false charges. Here is how it really plays out:
The unborn are human beings? Misogynist.
Gender Dysphoria is a medical issue? Bigot.
Religious artists shouldn't be compelled to create? Homophobe.
Personal choices and culture play a part in individual success? Racist.
Immigration laws should be enforced? xenophobe
Trump Supporter? White supremacist. KKK, etc.
Maybe if more of these so-called moderates who say they want civil discussions wouldn't stay silent and defend their fellow forum members while these sorts of accusations are flying our way, we would be a little less bitter. Wow...so many strawmen...so little time...
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RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 4:36 pm
(November 1, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Me too. I'm glad for the new rule. It stopped being fun after Trump. But I would invite you to look at who is flaming and trolling instead of encouraging debate and discussion. We social conservatives would like to be able to have a conversation without being accused at every turn by false charges. Here is how it really plays out:
The unborn are human beings? Misogynist.
Gender Dysphoria is a medical issue? Bigot.
Religious artists shouldn't be compelled to create? Homophobe.
Personal choices and culture play a part in individual success? Racist.
Immigration laws should be enforced? xenophobe
Trump Supporter? White supremacist. KKK, etc.
Maybe if more of these so-called moderates who say they want civil discussions wouldn't stay silent and defend their fellow forum members while these sorts of accusations are flying our way, we would be a little less bitter.
The prime directive is more about threads, not interpersonal opinions. there is a difference between calling one an idiot and calling "all of you are idiots". one gets called an idiot by its own merits, the other is a sweeping generalization.
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RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 4:36 pm
(November 1, 2017 at 4:16 pm)Losty Wrote: (November 1, 2017 at 3:56 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Well, we've always got you to point it out to us.
I did not say that, Mr. Quote Fixer 
Well shit, that was embarrassing 
Just goes to show Staff are as prone to mistakes as anyone. I've hidden the evidence put it right now.
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RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 4:38 pm
(November 1, 2017 at 4:28 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 1, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Losty Wrote: Blatant hypocrisy by whom? That's what I want to know. I've seen you an CL making accusations of hypocrisy but it seems like apart from a small group everyone is fed up with this from both sides. Religious or atheist, liberal or conservative, I know for me at least I'm tired of seeing the forum be nothing but trolling and flaming. We used to have real discussions and a much friendlier atmosphere and I'm ready to see that again.
My accusation of hypocrisy was aimed at all the people who were giving Neo crap for generalizing but never say a word (or sometimes even participate) on the many other threads that generalize.
With that being said, I do really like that you guys (the mods) had already been talking about this for a while, even before Neo started doing it. I think you guys are being really fair and as far as I can see, there is no hypocrisy on ya'lls end at all.
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RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 4:41 pm
Don't lump us all together.
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RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 4:41 pm
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
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RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 4:42 pm
(November 1, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: With that being said, I do really like that you guys (the mods) had already been talking about this for a while, even before Neo started doing it. I think you guys are being really fair and as far as I can see, there is no hypocrisy on ya'lls end at all.
Hallo... she's after something...
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RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 4:45 pm
I would also like to point out that it is impossible to have a discussion without generalizing. There is nothing wrong with making the generalization that "men are taller than women." People should be smart enough to recognize that a generalization is by its very nature an expression of normative properties. People who need all manner of qualifications like "some" and "most" and "many" aren't being reasonable. If I say that political progressives are left-wing, I suppose that could mean that some progressive some where is a right-winger, but no one would call that normative. So it doesn't make sense to call it false equivocation. If someone makes an thread or post about "Christians" it isn't hard to figure out if they are thinking about Evangelicals, Roman Catholics, or Presbyterians. I don't need anyone to qualify their generalizations. But heaven forbid anyone make a generalization about atheists suggesting that they are by and large naturalists or moral relativists even though those are clearly normative traits.
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RE: Discussion, not Provocation
November 1, 2017 at 4:48 pm
(November 1, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 1, 2017 at 4:28 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My accusation of hypocrisy was aimed at all the people who were giving Neo crap for generalizing but never say a word (or sometimes even participate) on the many other threads that generalize.
With that being said, I do really like that you guys (the mods) had already been talking about this for a while, even before Neo started doing it. I think you guys are being really fair and as far as I can see, there is no hypocrisy on ya'lls end at all.
Props go to Synackaon for this most recent round of changes though. Improving the forum is always on our minds, but Synackaon made a really passionate push for stamping out the provocative trolling that has been around for a while now.
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