Aloha

[possibletarian]

Aloha AF:

My name is Bill. I'm a stupid surfer from Huntington Beach CA and I am clownish. I live on Maui. I've been studying theology and the bible for more then 40yrs as well as the KoinE Greek and Greek grammatical inflection and love to translate.

However, honoring the language and not the professors of theology, has gotten me excommunicated somewhat. Have you ever talked to those people? And they think I'm nuts! 500yrs ago I would have been burned at the stake for such heresy by people whom teach heresy!

Anyway, nice to meet you all and I hope to be useful.

Only to His glory, Bill

Welcome, hope you enjoy it here :

[Whateverist]

Hello Bill.  Welcome!

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Mmmm .. adult xtian forums?  Bet you've got to put a lock on that one when the kiddos are around, hey?



Well you have good taste in surfer girls.  (Mind the knives though.)

If your afraid to die, you are afraid to live and I love a good ride!  Riding a 20ft swell can kill you but, it is living.

In surfing we have the perfect day where everything is a symphony of harmony. I once drove all night to a spot in south central CA to meet a swell at it eyeteeth. I awoke to the perfect day: 20ft perfectly groomed perfect swell direction; light off-shore winds; sunny.

The morning fog had just burned off when I saw those waves. It was as if Mother Nature had gone into orgasm. Yet, no one was out! Undaunted, I paddled out. I said to her; "Show me all your beauty; take me to your pleasant places that I may delight in them; let me live in the rapture of your love and THRIVE in your orgasm!

About 45min later, I figured out why nobody but me was out. A HUGE MASSIVE wave came at me at least 40ft+! I was in hammerland! That BITCH!

I'd be interested to hear more about your early religious experience and what it is you believe now. I get the feeling that for you it is as if you've decided to address nature as a whole and in its parts as an other or even Other. You have apparently spent a lot of time learning to translate, I'm guessing in order to allow you to dig into the bible. So I'd also be interested in what esteem you hold the bible now. How important, if at all, is it for you to identify as a Christian? If you're willing and more comfortable not sharing this widely, I'd happily welcome a PM. I'm more than willing to reciprocate with my own background if interested.

[Haipule]

If your afraid to die, you are afraid to live and I love a good ride!  Riding a 20ft swell can kill you but, it is living.

In surfing we have the perfect day where everything is a symphony of harmony. I once drove all night to a spot in south central CA to meet a swell at it eyeteeth. I awoke to the perfect day: 20ft perfectly groomed perfect swell direction; light off-shore winds; sunny.

The morning fog had just burned off when I saw those waves. It was as if Mother Nature had gone into orgasm. Yet, no one was out! Undaunted, I paddled out. I said to her; "Show me all your beauty; take me to your pleasant places that I may delight in them; let me live in the rapture of your love and THRIVE in your orgasm!

About 45min later, I figured out why nobody but me was out. A HUGE MASSIVE wave came at me at least 40ft+! I was in hammerland! That BITCH!

I'd be interested to hear more about your early religious experience and what it is you believe now.  I get the feeling that for you it is as if you've decided to address nature as a whole and in its parts as an other or even Other.  You have apparently spent a lot of time learning to translate, I'm guessing in order to allow you to dig into the bible.  So I'd also be interested in what esteem you hold the bible now.  How important, if at all, is it for you to identify as a Christian?  If you're willing and more comfortable not sharing this widely, I'd happily welcome a PM.  I'm more than willing to reciprocate with my own background if interested.

I went to Sunday school as a kid in many different church's. My mother was a seeker who talked to us kids about Jesus. Jesus became my invisible friend. I would take Him on bike rides and show Him beautiful things and teach Him what I was learning in school.

At 9yrs I was badly injured and a pastor that had recently randomly visited our house and inviting us to His church, would visit me in the hospital and gave me my first bible. Long story short, he is now my stepfather having married my mother when I was 16.

So, early on I had access to his extensive library and took full advantage. His mentors were all heavy into Greek so I was exposed to it early on.

When I got older I would ask him and our pastor friends questioned about the grammar like, "Is that word a present participle". They would say, "Yes but..."

Eventually, my stepfather bought me books on translating, interlinear and lexicons so I could answer my own questions.

My life was very good and just kept on getting better and better until I didn't look or live anything I was taught about life. My other problem was all the "Yes but..." answers.

I eventually went heavy into Greek grammatical inflection as Greek is highly inflective. Greek is a precision Swiss watch and English is a sundial at night! As I taught myself how to hyper-literally translate the inflection(declension, conjugation), I started to see problems in the English translations and theology. However, my life made perfect sense!

As I continued, my own theological prejudices were smashed! I could see the protestant manipulations, the Latinizations such as 'salvation', 'sin', trinity' and 'spirit' and general academic dishonesty. Nobody seems to know how to translate an anarthrous construction or articular construction, a pronoun, a predicate or prepositions!

I also learned how they justify their dishonesty which they learned in seminary school with high sounding grammar manipulative tools.

When did the church forget that those letters were originally written to illiterate fishermen and farmers whom understood what was said and historically kicked ass!

I hold God and the bible in the highest esteem. The Greek bible is absolutely gorgeous filled with treasure.

However, the church, not so much. Yet, you can't talk to them. So I wrote a Kindle eBook Wake Up Call William McCoy. We have to wait and see what happens. It will be in print soon, I hope, and retitled "The Power of the Universe".

I've also study many sciences starting with geology at 6yrs. Currently doing experiments with vacuum mechanics inspired by studying squirrels!

christianos translated "Christian" is first christos with means 'anointed' and -ianos is a Latin adjectival word ending meaning "belonging to" as outsides gave us that name. In that sense, I love it! But, ask 10 different professed Christians what Christion means and you will get 10 different loosely paraphrased answers they learned from people whom went to seminary and passed an ordination test so that we can be sure that they are telling the truth--gag!

[Whateverist]

I'd be interested to hear more about your early religious experience and what it is you believe now.  I get the feeling that for you it is as if you've decided to address nature as a whole and in its parts as an other or even Other.  You have apparently spent a lot of time learning to translate, I'm guessing in order to allow you to dig into the bible.  So I'd also be interested in what esteem you hold the bible now.  How important, if at all, is it for you to identify as a Christian?  If you're willing and more comfortable not sharing this widely, I'd happily welcome a PM.  I'm more than willing to reciprocate with my own background if interested.

I went to Sunday school as a kid in many different church's. My mother was a seeker who talked to us kids about Jesus. Jesus became my invisible friend. I would take Him on bike rides and show Him beautiful things and teach Him what I was learning in school.

At 9yrs I was badly injured and a pastor that had recently randomly visited our house and inviting us to His church, would visit me in the hospital and gave me my first bible. Long story short, he is now my stepfather having married my mother when I was 16.

So, early on I had access to his extensive library and took full advantage. His mentors were all heavy into Greek so I was exposed to it early on.

When I got older I would ask him and our pastor friends questioned about the grammar like, "Is that word a present participle". They would say, "Yes but..."

Eventually, my stepfather bought me books on translating, interlinear and lexicons so I could answer my own questions.

My life was very good and just kept on getting better and better until I didn't look or live anything I was taught about life. My other problem was all the "Yes but..." answers.

I eventually went heavy into Greek grammatical inflection as Greek is highly inflective. Greek is a precision Swiss watch and English is a sundial at night! As I taught myself how to hyper-literally translate the inflection(declension, conjugation), I started to see problems in the English translations and theology. However, my life made perfect sense!

As I continued, my own theological prejudices were smashed! I could see the protestant manipulations, the Latinizations such as 'salvation', 'sin', trinity' and 'spirit' and general academic dishonesty. Nobody seems to know how to translate an anarthrous construction or articular construction, a pronoun, a predicate or prepositions!

I also learned how they justify their dishonesty which they learned in seminary school with high sounding grammar manipulative tools.

When did the church forget that those letters were originally written to illiterate fishermen and farmers whom understood what was said and historically kicked ass!

I hold God and the bible in the highest esteem. The Greek bible is absolutely gorgeous filled with treasure.

However, the church, not so much. Yet, you can't talk to them. So I wrote a Kindle eBook Wake Up Call William McCoy. We have to wait and see what happens. It will be in print soon, I hope, and retitled "The Power of the Universe".

I've also study many sciences starting with geology at 6yrs. Currently doing experiments with vacuum mechanics inspired by studying squirrels!

christianos translated "Christian" is first christos with means 'anointed' and -ianos is a Latin adjectival word ending meaning "belonging to" as outsides gave us that name. In that sense, I love it! But, ask 10 different professed Christians what Christion means and you will get 10 different loosely paraphrased answers they learned from people whom went to seminary and passed an ordination test so that we can be sure that they are telling the truth--gag!

Thank you and I'm glad you put this here in the intro section (no snarkiness allowed).

I had a similar early childhood, throwing every other Frito from my lunch over my shoulder for Jesus on the way to first grade.  My imagination also filled in much from the little bit I heard about the Christian mythos.  But we stopped going to church before I started attending school.  Unlike you I never read the bible itself, let alone translate anything from it. Got to tell you, I'm not a big fan of it.

I wonder where you locate your God.  Is it something 'out there', grander than the cosmos itself?  Or might it be something 'inside', something in our psyche rather than in the world itself.  I've come to the conclusion that the former perspective is a projection of the latter.  

I wonder if your insights as a translator lead you to regard the concept of the supernatural differently than so many other believer do.  I can make no sense of it, personally.  Can you?

[Haipule]

I went to Sunday school as a kid in many different church's. My mother was a seeker who talked to us kids about Jesus. Jesus became my invisible friend. I would take Him on bike rides and show Him beautiful things and teach Him what I was learning in school.

At 9yrs I was badly injured and a pastor that had recently randomly visited our house and inviting us to His church, would visit me in the hospital and gave me my first bible. Long story short, he is now my stepfather having married my mother when I was 16.

So, early on I had access to his extensive library and took full advantage. His mentors were all heavy into Greek so I was exposed to it early on.

When I got older I would ask him and our pastor friends questioned about the grammar like, "Is that word a present participle". They would say, "Yes but..."

Eventually, my stepfather bought me books on translating, interlinear and lexicons so I could answer my own questions.

My life was very good and just kept on getting better and better until I didn't look or live anything I was taught about life. My other problem was all the "Yes but..." answers.

I eventually went heavy into Greek grammatical inflection as Greek is highly inflective. Greek is a precision Swiss watch and English is a sundial at night! As I taught myself how to hyper-literally translate the inflection(declension, conjugation), I started to see problems in the English translations and theology. However, my life made perfect sense!

As I continued, my own theological prejudices were smashed! I could see the protestant manipulations, the Latinizations such as 'salvation', 'sin', trinity' and 'spirit' and general academic dishonesty. Nobody seems to know how to translate an anarthrous construction or articular construction, a pronoun, a predicate or prepositions!

I also learned how they justify their dishonesty which they learned in seminary school with high sounding grammar manipulative tools.

When did the church forget that those letters were originally written to illiterate fishermen and farmers whom understood what was said and historically kicked ass!

I hold God and the bible in the highest esteem. The Greek bible is absolutely gorgeous filled with treasure.

However, the church, not so much. Yet, you can't talk to them. So I wrote a Kindle eBook Wake Up Call William McCoy. We have to wait and see what happens. It will be in print soon, I hope, and retitled "The Power of the Universe".

I've also study many sciences starting with geology at 6yrs. Currently doing experiments with vacuum mechanics inspired by studying squirrels!

christianos translated "Christian" is first christos with means 'anointed' and -ianos is a Latin adjectival word ending meaning "belonging to" as outsides gave us that name. In that sense, I love it! But, ask 10 different professed Christians what Christion means and you will get 10 different loosely paraphrased answers they learned from people whom went to seminary and passed an ordination test so that we can be sure that they are telling the truth--gag!

Thank you and I'm glad you put this here in the intro section (no snarkiness allowed).

I had a similar early childhood, throwing every other Frito from my lunch over my shoulder for Jesus on the way to first grade.  My imagination also filled in much from the little bit I heard about the Christian mythos.  But we stopped going to church before I started attending school.  Unlike you I never read the bible itself, let alone translate anything from it.  Got to tell you, I'm not a big fan of it.

I wonder where you locate your God.  Is it something 'out there', grander than the cosmos itself?  Or might it be something 'inside', something in our psyche rather than in the world itself.  I've come to the conclusion that the former perspective is a projection of the latter.  

I wonder if your insights as a translator lead you to regard the concept of the supernatural differently than so many other believer do.  I can make no sense of it, personally.  Can you?

From a Greek perspective, Jesus is God when He became flesh. God has always existed yet, became flesh so that He could die on that cross. I believe God is outside our 4 dimensional world to be observed.

There is no Trinity in Hebrew or Greek. The idea was born in the 2nd century by a guy named Tertullian.

There is no "Holy Spirit" or, "spirituality". That's just goofy. 

God is not "supernatural" He is preternatural. Natural yes, just really hard to explain. The Greek or Hebrew does not use any word that can be translated legitamately as "creation". The verbs are 'make', 'made', 'build' using, I'm guessing, zero point energy. The Hebrew word barah, translated "created" in Gen 1:1 means: to speak into existence. I'm pretty sure the word wasn't BANG! But I haven't yet ruled out "bazinga"!

[possibletarian]

Welcome Bill, hope you enjoy your stay here

[Whateverist]

From a Greek perspective, Jesus is God when He became flesh. God has always existed yet, became flesh so that He could die on that cross. I believe God is outside our 4 dimensional world to be observed.

There is no Trinity in Hebrew or Greek. The idea was born in the 2nd century by a guy named Tertullian.

There is no "Holy Spirit" or, "spirituality". That's just goofy. 

God is not "supernatural" He is preternatural. Natural yes, just really hard to explain. The Greek or Hebrew does not use any word that can be translated legitamately as "creation". The verbs are 'make', 'made', 'build' using, I'm guessing, zero point energy. The Hebrew word barah, translated "created" in Gen 1:1 means: to speak into existence. I'm pretty sure the word wasn't BANG! But I haven't yet ruled out "bazinga"!

That (my bolded) makes a lot more sense to say than inventing a place separate from the cosmos to hold God. Of course that does make me wonder what you have in mind when you say earlier that "God is outside our 4 dimensional world". But this is your intro thread so this discussion probably belongs in another thread, if you care to have it at all.

However, if you don't mind my asking, have you ever considered the possibility that God resides in the labyrinths of our minds, no more something we 'just make up' than is our personality, our memories or our likes and dislikes. It seems like that would be God enough to make a difference in a person's life. Does God really have to have galactic repercussions to be relevant?

[downbeatplumb]

I don't understand surfing, boats are a thing!

[Haipule]

From a Greek perspective, Jesus is God when He became flesh. God has always existed yet, became flesh so that He could die on that cross. I believe God is outside our 4 dimensional world to be observed.

There is no Trinity in Hebrew or Greek. The idea was born in the 2nd century by a guy named Tertullian.

There is no "Holy Spirit" or, "spirituality". That's just goofy. 

God is not "supernatural" He is preternatural. Natural yes, just really hard to explain. The Greek or Hebrew does not use any word that can be translated legitamately as "creation". The verbs are 'make', 'made', 'build' using, I'm guessing, zero point energy. The Hebrew word barah, translated "created" in Gen 1:1 means: to speak into existence. I'm pretty sure the word wasn't BANG! But I haven't yet ruled out "bazinga"!

That (my bolded) makes a lot more sense to say than inventing a place separate from the cosmos to hold God.  Of course that does make me wonder what you have in mind when you say earlier that "God is outside our 4 dimensional world".  But this is your intro thread so this discussion probably belongs in another thread, if you care to have it at all.

However, if you don't mind my asking, have you ever considered the possibility that God resides in the labyrinths of our minds, no more something we 'just make up' than is our personality, our memories or our likes and dislikes.  It seems like that would be God enough to make a difference in a person's life.  Does God really have to have galactic repercussions to be relevant?

The bible does not say where God is. We live within the 4 dimensions of height, length, depth and time. String theory, on my last count, has hypothesized 11 possible dimensions. Therefore, God is possibly with us beyond our ability to observe Him. However, He can then always observe and be with us. Kinda like we can observe the 2D TV but the actors can't observe our 4D.

I trust man was made to be free and that that freedom is important. If God is just a mind thingy than, we'd have to listen to hucksters selling self help books and there Law of Vibration and Law of Attraction and "like attracts like". I don't doubt vibration and attraction but, they take those from physical to metaphysical magic. I also don't completely scoff at metaphysical things as they often give me insight to my own physical observations. However, you got to cut through a lot of crap! Studying science is like studying theology: it can be difficult to find the truth but, it is out there.

God just asked us to follow and trust Him as the Deliverer, Director, Protector, and Shepherd of the life of His promise which He alone is the source.

Everyone else is just a goat and goats suck! That is, unless you prepare them properly. Then they are delicious! Truly, God does not care about the world of goats or, what goats do to goats as long as they leave us sheep alone! They will find my God a fierce Warrior! I've seen it many times but, that is anecdotal.

God says, "YOU--FOLLOW ME!" I kept trying to go my own way thinking, as I was taught, that God would bless me if I made good decisions. Yet, how can we trust that any of our decisions are good? We can never be sure of the consequences of our decisions? But, Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I eventually learned to stop foolishly competing with Him and accept His command to follow. Dude, what a ride! Mind numbing assents, gut wrenching descents, blind turns! Yet, I always(eventually) end up at the perfect place at the perfect time in history to be in perfect places. Psalm 23: The Lord is the one Shepherding me; I shall lack NOTHING!