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BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
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RE: BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
(November 29, 2017 at 2:12 am)A Theist Wrote:
(November 28, 2017 at 8:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Yep.  I predicted this problem last year.

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You can always pack up your shit and move your commie ass to North Korea.



Way too many shitheads like you there.
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#22
RE: BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
(November 29, 2017 at 11:57 am)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(November 29, 2017 at 8:38 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Who is more likely to lunch out of pique because he has paper thin skin, monsterous ego, and reflexive urge to hit back whatever the circumstance and regardless of it does to any Long term goal, and who demonstrate many times daily a absolute total lack of impulse control that would ambarass a well brought up 7 year old?   Twitter Trump or Kim?

Who has enough weapons to serious damage the earth’s habitability? Trump with his finger on 4000 nuclear warheads and who thinks he doesn’t have enough, or Kim with his 10 facing 4000?

Trump doesn't literally have his fingers on the button, but kim does.
Trump's term in office will have a deadline, kim kinda is the office.
10 or 4000 doesn't matter, when they start flying, all of them will start flying.

Kim knows if he fires his nuclear weapons, he dies. Trump thinks if he fires his nuclear weapons, He would become more popular with his base.

Any no, the only way most nuclear weapons around the world will fly is if American or Russia launch a big portion of theirs first. If any other nuclear power launch some or all of theirs, the chances are the exchange will be limited to well within an order of magnitude of the number they launched.
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#23
RE: BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
A Time-Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945 - by Isao Hashimoto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY

Why worry?
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#24
RE: BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
(November 29, 2017 at 11:57 am)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(November 29, 2017 at 8:38 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Who is more likely to lunch out of pique because he has paper thin skin, monsterous ego, and reflexive urge to hit back whatever the circumstance and regardless of it does to any Long term goal, and who demonstrate many times daily a absolute total lack of impulse control that would ambarass a well brought up 7 year old?   Twitter Trump or Kim?

Who has enough weapons to serious damage the earth’s habitability? Trump with his finger on 4000 nuclear warheads and who thinks he doesn’t have enough, or Kim with his 10 facing 4000?

Trump doesn't literally have his fingers on the button, but kim does.
Trump's term in office will have a deadline, kim kinda is the office.
10 or 4000 doesn't matter, when they start flying, all of them will start flying.

Kim could only have 3 or four, but that is not the point, it will start a war and then all sides will jump in and then both friend and foe will shoot them off. I don't think 45s supporters have any fucking clue what "mutual destruction" means. JFK did, Reagan did, and even Bush Jr and Sr did. Trump is as much a selfish egotistical narcissist as Kim. The only advantage so far right now, is we still have a free press, but 45s rhetoric could dare our enemies to start it.
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RE: BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
(November 29, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(November 29, 2017 at 11:57 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Trump doesn't literally have his fingers on the button, but kim does.
Trump's term in office will have a deadline, kim kinda is the office.
10 or 4000 doesn't matter, when they start flying, all of them will start flying.

Kim could only have 3 or four, but that is not the point, it will start a war and then all sides will jump in and then both friend and foe will shoot them off. I don't think 45s supporters have any fucking clue what "mutual destruction" means. JFK did, Reagan did, and even Bush Jr and Sr did. Trump is as much a selfish egotistical narcissist as Kim. The only advantage so far right now, is we still have a free press, but 45s rhetoric could dare our enemies to start it.
Kim has all of China's and Russia's nukes backing him up.
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#26
RE: BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
(November 29, 2017 at 12:09 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Any no, the only way most nuclear weapons around the world will fly is if American or Russia launch a big portion of theirs first.   If any other nuclear power launch some or all of theirs, the chances are the exchange will be limited to well within an order of magnitude of the number they launched.

No, once the first one hits a nation, it's allies will retaliate. Kim is the adopted toddler of China, do you think China won't retaliate if an american nuke lands near it's doorstep? This whole nuclear deterrence concept is like a mexican-standoff, when one shoots, everyone dies.
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#27
RE: BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
(November 29, 2017 at 2:12 am)A Theist Wrote:
(November 28, 2017 at 8:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Yep.  I predicted this problem last year.

[Image: LUD5SSq.jpg]

You can always pack up your shit and move your commie ass to North Korea.

Or you could move to a first world country not ruled by a tin pot dictator.
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#28
RE: BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
(November 30, 2017 at 3:30 am)Aoi Magi Wrote:
(November 29, 2017 at 12:09 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Any no, the only way most nuclear weapons around the world will fly is if American or Russia launch a big portion of theirs first.   If any other nuclear power launch some or all of theirs, the chances are the exchange will be limited to well within an order of magnitude of the number they launched.


No, once the first one hits a nation, it's allies will retaliate. Kim is the adopted toddler of China, do you think China won't retaliate if an american nuke lands near it's doorstep?  This whole nuclear deterrence concept is like a mexican-standoff, when one shoots, everyone dies.


No, nuclear deterrence is not about big nations actually committing national suicide on behalf on small nations that might be nice to have as a strategic pawn but not essential for the big nation's Fundamental survival.  American nuclear arsenal still outnumber Chinese arsenal 15:1.  China will not commit national suicide on behalf of North Korea.

(November 30, 2017 at 2:26 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(November 29, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Kim could only have 3 or four, but that is not the point, it will start a war and then all sides will jump in and then both friend and foe will shoot them off. I don't think 45s supporters have any fucking clue what "mutual destruction" means. JFK did, Reagan did, and even Bush Jr and Sr did. Trump is as much a selfish egotistical narcissist as Kim. The only advantage so far right now, is we still have a free press, but 45s rhetoric could dare our enemies to start it.
Kim has all of China's and Russia's nukes backing him up.

When it comes to North Korea hitting the US with nukes for the hell of it,  China's nukes are insufficient to back north Korea up.  See above.   Russia does have enough nukes to back north Korea up but 1. doesn't have that much riding on north Korea's survival,  2. If Russia proves America's own nuclear arsenal, equal to Russia's, is insufficient to protect it even against being nuke by little fry like north Korea, then afterwards how much, in the eyes of Russia's numerous enemies, would russia's own nuclear arsenal be worth do you suppose?  Russia owes the perception that it is a greater power to the perceived value of its nuclear arsenal to a vastly larger degree thank either China or the US.   If the credibility of nuclear weapons as a guarantor of nation security and influence are all suddenly removed, both the US and China would remain super powers with global Influences by virtue of the sizes of their economies and their global political and economic influences.   The US would also be able to focus overwhelming conventional military superiority upon most places in the world.    Russia would be a second rate regional power without a seat in any region but some of the former Soviet republics.

Americans tend to think in terms of us and them, with them all being in cahoots against us as if they have no other priories than to collaborate to mess with us, because you know, we are so cool how could they possibly think about anything but us.  In some ways by being willfully stupid and decline to recognize the separate interests and priorities of each player on the chessboard, we kill two birds with one stone - we simultaneously feed our narcissism and Stoke our paranoia.  What more can one ask from acts of immature self importance?   With this level of junior high maturity in our thinking no wonder it proves to be not a reach at all for us to seat an elementary school bully in the white House.
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#29
RE: BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
(November 30, 2017 at 2:26 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(November 29, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Kim could only have 3 or four, but that is not the point, it will start a war and then all sides will jump in and then both friend and foe will shoot them off. I don't think 45s supporters have any fucking clue what "mutual destruction" means. JFK did, Reagan did, and even Bush Jr and Sr did. Trump is as much a selfish egotistical narcissist as Kim. The only advantage so far right now, is we still have a free press, but 45s rhetoric could dare our enemies to start it.
Kim has all of China's and Russia's nukes backing him up.

BINGO, 45 and his delusional supporters think because Kim is new to the 357 Magnum club, Kim's friends won't use theirs. That is a really fucked up gamble. 

The right in America is fucking stuck in a Dirty Harry movie. Global diplomacy when you are dealing with potential nuclear war is not a fucking movie.
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#30
RE: BREAKING: North Korea Has Just Fired Another Ballistic Missile
While a nuclear attack by any nation takes the world into uncharted territory, and certainly introduce the possibility of unanticipated reaction by the players and unexpected escalation, there can be absolutely no doubt whatsoever that an unprovoked nuclear attack by the United States on North Korea will have vastly more far reaching consequences and unpredictable effects than an unprovoked nuclear attack by North Korea on the US.  

This is simply that the US has the nuclear arsenal to annihilate any country in the world.  Demonstration by the US that it’s threhold for unleashing the nuclear arsenal is much lower than previously expected would likely immediately provoke many nations with the capacity to build their own nuclear deterrence to immediately cross the line and actually build that deterrence.   It would also commit China, whose nuclear arsenal is currently just a minimum deterrence, to embark upon a program to match American nuclear arsenal.   During the Cold War mutual assured destruction was stable, because each side has only antogonist. China has both the technology and industrial power to match or surpass America and russia’s Cold War scale nuclear arsenal. If china were to enter the fray, the world could within 5-10 years see 3 nuclear superpowers each with the capacity to destroy all the others. I am not altogether clear how stable such an arrangement can be. We saw during the Cold War that despite muturally assured destruction, each side still invested enormous treasure and effort to try to gain small and in the grand scheme of the things inconsequential advantages over the others’s Nuclear arsenal. If there are 3 super powers, being able get one of the other powers to align with oneself to all gang up on the third is hardly inconsequential, and all three powers will move heaven and earth to try to do this. How stable would a MAD arrangement be with 3 players?

North korea’s Nuclear arsenal is on the other hand small, and does not create existential threat to many nations other than South Korea, and perhaps japan. On the other hand, North Korea is unlikely to survive to continue having any impact on the world if it were to attack the US. So impact of North Korean first nuclear use might be painful, and if they hit South Korea or the US east coast might result in 10s of millions of casualties, but it will be be limited to just that.
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