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RE: Human beings have virtually no value if they are just machines
December 15, 2017 at 6:05 pm
How do you know it's the source of life, and that there's a rope?
I wish you guys would show that there's a 'there' there, before expecting us to run full tilt at it. Just one time.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Human beings have virtually no value if they are just machines
December 15, 2017 at 6:05 pm
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(December 15, 2017 at 5:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote: [quote pid='1673345' dateline='1513373060']
Peddle your narcissism elsewhere. Do you really think you are the only religion on this planet that sells the idea that your label makes you special? I was born at night, just not last night.
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Let me rephrase it, how would the guarantee of eternal life make YOU any less special in the moment?
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RE: Human beings have virtually no value if they are just machines
December 15, 2017 at 6:07 pm
There's no guarantee. All there is, is an empty promise sold to you by people with an agenda.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Human beings have virtually no value if they are just machines
December 15, 2017 at 6:10 pm
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(December 15, 2017 at 6:07 pm)Cyberman Wrote: There's no guarantee. All there is, is an empty promise sold to you by people with an agenda.
Then the thread is right, we are no better than a biological machination.
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RE: Human beings have virtually no value if they are just machines
December 15, 2017 at 6:10 pm
(December 15, 2017 at 5:44 pm)Starhunter Wrote: (December 15, 2017 at 5:36 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Thanks. But then you kind of blow it with the later question. Eternity takes away value. that's what we've been explaining the whole time. If everyone had an infinite amount of money, then money would lose all value. Same with existence.
That's interesting.
How does an infinite amount of time to live, devalue or put into insignificance the present moment, by which we live anyway?
I already answered this question earlier.
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RE: Human beings have virtually no value if they are just machines
December 15, 2017 at 6:14 pm
(December 15, 2017 at 6:10 pm)Starhunter Wrote: (December 15, 2017 at 6:07 pm)Cyberman Wrote: There's no guarantee. All there is, is an empty promise sold to you by people with an agenda.
Then the thread is right, we are no better than a biological machination.
Why?
Also, biology doesn't do machinations.
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RE: Human beings have virtually no value if they are just machines
December 15, 2017 at 6:15 pm
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(December 15, 2017 at 6:02 pm)Starhunter Wrote: (December 15, 2017 at 5:48 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I do not wish the "gusto" of fantasy delusion. I'm satisfied with reality. Too bad you have to trick yourself the rest of your days.
I don't have life in me by a trick, so why should I expect anything less?
Life is real, so is love, grace, fairness, reward and justice.
If the Source of life offers me more, why make a noose out of the rope let down?
Life is real, that is is the only thing we agree on. I simply do not assign all this to a sky hero. Just like you'd rightfully scoff at anyone claiming lightening is caused by Thor.
I am sorry someone sold you old mythology and told you that was the key to happiness and goodness now, but that is your baggage. Atheists can do good and be good without mythology.
And as far as the false desire of eternity, that is not a real thing, that is simply your own evolutionary drive put in comic book mythology form before humans scientifically figured out what drives evolution and evolution itself.
But, if you merely want to argue "Why wouldn't you want to be forever?"
We can dress that too.
If we can live forever as the claims of religions claim in the form an afterlife. THAT WOULD get boring after a while. But worse than getting boring, is the idea especially with the authoritarian claims of the God of Abraham, if I couldn't feel my own emotions in heaven, and all I felt was joy, then basically my own autonomy is taken from me and my only purpose is to suck one guy's ego.
But, don't feel bad, the Asian concept of "reincarnation" is just as absurd. If you did bad in a prior life, you come back as a lesser life, if you do good in this life, you gain prosperity in the next. it is simply another superstitious version of a fictional "forever".
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RE: Human beings have virtually no value if they are just machines
December 15, 2017 at 6:22 pm
(December 11, 2017 at 6:41 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: The way I see it, the only thing that can bestow us this higher value would be the very notion of us being special in this universe. That is, us being eternal souls who get to live on in the afterlife where we greet deceased loved ones, live happy forever after, etc.
So you've given up on thinking that we have value if our emotions have intrinsic value then?
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RE: Human beings have virtually no value if they are just machines
December 15, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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(December 15, 2017 at 6:10 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (December 15, 2017 at 5:44 pm)Starhunter Wrote: That's interesting.
How does an infinite amount of time to live, devalue or put into insignificance the present moment, by which we live anyway?
I already answered this question earlier.
You have a valid perspective, I just think there are two sides of the same question, both are true.
Our daily life is insignificant, or would be insignificant, in the context of eternal life.
At the same time, I think sharing that Life or existence, for any length of time, makes it significant. However, having been granted life by God, also comes with the necessary package of eternal life.
(December 15, 2017 at 6:14 pm)Cyberman Wrote: (December 15, 2017 at 6:10 pm)Starhunter Wrote: Then the thread is right, we are no better than a biological machination.
Why?
Also, biology doesn't do machinations.
Isn't science trying to emulate that biological machination?
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RE: Human beings have virtually no value if they are just machines
December 15, 2017 at 6:33 pm
(December 15, 2017 at 6:10 pm)Starhunter Wrote: (December 15, 2017 at 6:07 pm)Cyberman Wrote: There's no guarantee. All there is, is an empty promise sold to you by people with an agenda.
Then the thread is right, we are no better than a biological machination.
WILL YOU PLEASE STOP THIS BULLSHIT NONSENSE.........
"This is it" does not equate to lack of emotion or lawlessness or greed. I am sorry someone sold you that bullshit, but that is not true.
"This is it" only means "This is it". It isn't advocating greed or lawlessness or lack of emotions or empathy.
In the scope of 13.8 billion years we don't mean shit.
In the scope of the time between our births to our deaths, YES WE DO MEAN SOMETHING.
It is not our fault someone sold you that a cosmic Santa was required to explain human behaviors, but you bought that, not us.
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