Oh no! Another alien probe

[Minimalist]

Doesn't work. The trees grow a new ring each year, but if they died in a snowball Earth they wouldn't grow any rings. A tree wouldn't restart after a few thousand years in the ice, it would be dead.

Well, friend, restart they did! After the ice! That was the point of the observation! They did, then they didn't!
1,000 year observed span between the rings! Hummm?

Your either too old and useless in your arrogant intelligence! Or, too young and stupid to know what the HELL fucking your talking about! I prefer to be the stupid so that I will always be teachable!

FUCK!!! I never wanted to be a FUCKING philosopher!

Try to be a FUCKING something.

[Anomalocaris]

Uhhhh, The first tree appeared in the Devonian, which is like 280 million years after snowball earth.

There were far more time elapsed between the end of the last snowball earth and the first tree with rings than had elapsed between when the first dinosaur walked the earth and now.

As far as we know, there wasn’t even multi-celluar plants right before or after the snowball earth. Tough to grow a ring with only one cell, don’t you think?

[Haipule]

Uhhhh, The first tree appeared in the Devonian, which is like 280 million years after snowball earth.

There were far more time elapsed between the end of the last snowball earth and the first tree with rings than had elapsed between when the first dinosaur walked the earth and now.

As far as we know, there wasn’t even multi-celluar plants right before or after the snowball earth.  Tough to grow a ring with only one cell, don’t you think?

I notice in the geologic time line that flowers are new. I always argued that birds, bee, flowers and trees must have existed at the same time. Yet, flowers are new. Plant life must have existed prior to flowers because of the existence of oil. What you say?

[LostLocke]

I always argued that birds, bee, flowers and trees must have existed at the same time.

Why "must" they have?

[Anomalocaris]

End of Most recent Snowball earth: 550 million years
Earliest ancestral insect: 540 million years
Earliest land plants: 470 million years
Earliest plants that might resemble trees: 400 million years
Earliest flying insect: 400 million years
Period of lots of trees to turn into coal or oil: 350-300 million years
Earliest flying reptile: 220 million years
Earliest possible primitive flowering plant: 220 million years
Earliest flying reptile ancestral to birds: 160 million years
Earliest primates: 60 million years
Earliest Ape: 25 million years
Earliest hominid: circa 4 million years
God was said to have create the universe: circa 6000 years
God was invented: circa 3000 years
Jesus was invented and said to be god: circa 2000 years


Any questions?

[Haipule]

I always argued that birds, bee, flowers and trees must have existed at the same time.

Why "must" they have?

Because they need each other to live? Yet, flowers are a newcomer. Are birds, bees trees also newcomers? I don't know that's why I asked.

[Anomalocaris]

The fact that flowering plants co-evolved with birds and insects to require birds or insects to pollenate over the last 130 million years does not necessarily imply the first impetus towards evolving in this direction by plants necessarily came from insects or birds. The first impetus for the most primitive flower like organ could be to better pollenate by wind, for example.

But, flying insects and flying reptiles have existed during the entirety re period when flowering plants have existed.

[LostLocke]

Here's a general time frame....

Trees: 385mya
Flowers: 130mya
Bees: 65mya minimum, new evidence says up to 120mya
Birds (avian dinosaurs): 150mya, significantly less if only looking at birds "as we know them"

[popeyespappy]

Uhhhh, The first tree appeared in the Devonian, which is like 280 million years after snowball earth.

There were far more time elapsed between the end of the last snowball earth and the first tree with rings than had elapsed between when the first dinosaur walked the earth and now.

As far as we know, there wasn’t even multi-celluar plants right before or after the snowball earth.  Tough to grow a ring with only one cell, don’t you think?

I notice in the geologic time line that flowers are new. I always argued that birds, bee, flowers and trees must have existed at the same time. Yet, flowers are new. Plant life must have existed prior to flowers because of the existence of oil. What you say?

If my memory serves correctly the chronological order should be trees, birds, flowers then bees. Tress have been around for 380 million years or so. Birds are 150ish million years old. Flowers are 140ish million years old. And bees are a relative newcomer at less than 100 million years. Plants in general predate trees by a lot. Depending on how you define plant you could be talking about more than 3 billion years if you count cyanobacteria.

[Haipule]

End of Most recent Snowball earth: 550 million years
Earliest ancestral insect: 540 million years
Earliest land plants: 470 million years
Earliest plants that might resemble trees: 400 million years
Earliest flying insect: 400 million years
Period of lots of trees to turn into coal or oil: 350-300 million years
Earliest flying reptile: 220 million years
Earliest possible primitive flowering plant: 220 million years
Earliest flying reptile ancestral to birds: 160 million years
Earliest primates: 60 million years
Earliest Ape: 25 million years
Earliest hominid: circa 4 million years
God was said to have create the universe: circa 6000 years
God was invented: circa 3000 years
Jesus was invented and said to be god: circa 2000 years


Any questions?

Thank you!

The bible does not say when God made the universe and the earth. It does not say "In 'THE'(added) beginning". It does not say that God "created" anything: that's a bad translation. It says He made everything and nothing caused itself to be. Yet, there does appear to be a timeline between Universe and earth and between earth and snowball. According to Hebrew syntax Gen 1:1 is constructive and sequential. Whereas, verse two is disjunctive which indicates something happened to the Earth and also indicates it was in a snowball state. I'm just telling what the bible actually says. I'm not trying to argue.