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This Should Piss Off Some Muslims
#11
RE: This Should Piss Off Some Muslims
So you admit that it was edited later?

I guess that kind of leaves the "angel" gabriel out on the cold, huh?
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#12
RE: This Should Piss Off Some Muslims
(December 16, 2017 at 9:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So you admit that it was edited later?

I guess that kind of leaves the "angel" gabriel out on the cold, huh?

Arabic language was without marks and dots up until the advent of this person:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_al-Aswad_al-Du%27ali

Abu Al-Aswad is his name.

The Quran wasn't marked independently; Arabic language as a whole was marked and dotted. It will cause a chain-reaction if two cities had different meanings of words; people of the region will not be capable of even interact in terms of economy and markets.

The Hadith would not be needed also; if words of the source were reshaped; then Sunnies can produce their own separate Quran, and Shiites produce their own seprate Quran. But they couldn't because the book was unified; and they resorted to the Hadith books instead.

Sunnies produced their separate Hadith books; and Shiites produced their separate Hadith books.
But non produced their own separate Qurans.
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#13
RE: This Should Piss Off Some Muslims
Interesting but irrelevant.

https://www.whyislam.org/quran/quran-the-word-of-god/

Quote:The Quran is the holy book which Muslims recite and turn to for guidance in all aspects of their lives. Its verses have remained intact since their original revelation by God in the 7th century.

Oddly, if you look at the photo on the page you will see that the version they use contains diacritical marks.  It cannot be both changed and unchanged at the same time.

Let us be clear on something.  The notion that a fucking angel whispered in the ear of a sleeping carpet merchant in a cave is so preposterous that it rivals the origin tales of xtianity and judaism for lunacy.

Someone, however, compiled the book originally be it Uthman or one of the other early caliphs and probably for the same reason that Theodosius made jesusism the single religion of the Roman empire.  To try to unite highly disparate peoples under one bullshit story that he could control.  I find that process far more interesting in an intellectual sense than silly mythology.
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#14
RE: This Should Piss Off Some Muslims
According to the official story Uthman got a committee to write the Koran around the year 640. As part of that process they collected the previous Korans and destroyed them.

What's interesting is that centuries later someone revised the Koran and put it into numbered chapters and verses to parallel the Bible's format. The real secret is who did that. I think the English did it.
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#15
RE: This Should Piss Off Some Muslims
(December 16, 2017 at 10:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Interesting but irrelevant.

https://www.whyislam.org/quran/quran-the-word-of-god/

Quote:The Quran is the holy book which Muslims recite and turn to for guidance in all aspects of their lives. Its verses have remained intact since their original revelation by God in the 7th century.

Oddly, if you look at the photo on the page you will see that the version they use contains diacritical marks.  It cannot be both changed and unchanged at the same time.

Let us be clear on something.  The notion that a fucking angel whispered in the ear of a sleeping carpet merchant in a cave is so preposterous that it rivals the origin tales of xtianity and judaism for lunacy.

Someone, however, compiled the book originally be it Uthman or one of the other early caliphs and probably for the same reason that Theodosius made jesusism the single religion of the Roman empire.  To try to unite highly disparate peoples under one bullshit story that he could control.  I find that process far more interesting in an intellectual sense than silly mythology.

The picture is of a modern Quran; it can be found here:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai...adha&hl=en

It's not a unique image; it's used in so many other websites.

Uthman gathered the separated pages of the book, considering the new lands getting into the Islamic belief and needing a Quran of their own; there weren't enough people memorizing the book. It was time  for the separated pages to be joined together.

I can believe your assumption if there were different copies of the book in terms of content. Also; proof showed that populations that got into Islam didn't handle difference easily; they waged whole wars just for a tiny difference. But they never waged one for a difference in the Quran.

Uthman himself was butchered because of difference of opinions about a murder case.

Romans invented a new bible on the other hand.
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#16
RE: This Should Piss Off Some Muslims
Quote:The picture is of a modern Quran; it can be found here:

Jesus fucking christ.  YOU are the one who insists that it is unchanged since fucking 'gabriel' pissed in mohammed's ear.  Try to keep up, man.
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