Hawai'i

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I think this POE just "got" the rest of you.

Trying to determine genuine dumbness or something to move fingers about.

Still, the refutations might prove informative, I guess.

This. Without a response a certain breed of internet user will assume that there's no reason to challenge such comments. It's like mental push-ups.

 (Now my mind is wandering into dangerous ground.   )

[LastPoet]

Trying to determine genuine dumbness or something to move fingers about.

Still, the refutations might prove informative, I guess.

This. Without a response a certain breed of internet user will assume that there's no reason to challenge such comments. It's like mental push-ups.

 (Now my mind is wandering into dangerous ground.   )

Tiberius sends us 2 hookers and a lot of blow for our troubles as mods. we act only when we have too-

LEAVE THE MODERATORS ALONE *cries*

[Haipule]

Hawai'i, island of Kure, starting where the other islands have, and are now forming, is at best, according to science, 28M years old. The rest of the islands are much newer. One, the island of Hawai'i, isn't done yet and one, Lo'ihi, at least, will make it's appearance at some later date.

Yet, some of you have given me a evolutionary time scale and process. Did you ask Hawai'i if you are right? 

You say reptiles preceded birds. In Hawai'i, there are fossils of extinct pre-man birds but never a pre-man reptile? No dinosaurs! No land mammals! None! Nothing here fits your timeline or hypothesis!

Hawai'i is conveniently located in the middle of absolutely nowhere! Obviously, these unique Hawaiian birds did not have time to "evolve" here or, anywhere else, as they are/were only here! Obviously then, nor did they fly here!

So, 'splain me why they, the indigenous only to Hawai'i birds, with out time for a possible nothing to evolutionary existence process, and way too far to fly, are/were here--only here! I am asking you as I have no clue!

They flew there or hitched a ride on something that floated.

Some birds spend almost their entire lives on the wing. But there are also things that float in the sea so birds could perch on them for a bit and then fly around for a bit eventually making landfall.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170213-...te-islands

A study of weevils in the Canary Islands suggests that animals can travel from one land mass to another by floating on giant rafts of earth and vegetation, created by huge landslides.

"The unique contribution of this new work is that it shows that immense landslides on oceanic islands can cause the movement of species between islands, and it goes on to provide evidence that this has actually happened in the Canary Islands," Tregenza says. "I think this is a very exciting finding."

There you go.
No god required.

Contrary to popular belief, I have actually studied the subject a bit over the 20+ yrs I have lived here. There have been many landslides when a volcano comes out of it shield stage here that may explain an island to island migration. Some of the indigenous birds here are only found on one island. There is one migratory bird here. They fly all the way to Hawai'i from Alaska and back! It is an amazing story. How do they know it's here? This tiny dot in a very large ocean!

Yet, these islands are thousands of miles from anywhere! There are no seagulls here because it's way too far away. How did the others birds get here? The common report is that these migratory birds came here and quit flying! What would make them fly out into nothing! Come here and say, "That's it, I'm done with that shit!" Now their land birds?

Then theirs the Hawaiian Monk Seal. Where did they come from? The Mediterranean? Why don't they have ears? They are endangered because they are very territorial and often kill each other. They are their own worst enemy!

The only other mammal that lived, and still lives here, before man is the Hori Bat. They're really small! Someone suggested that they ended up here because of a large storm. Really?

As far as floating here thousands and thousand of miles with out food or water in giant ocean swells seems pretty impractical! Yet, in your defense, every piece of trash in the freakin' ocean you can think of ends up on our beaches. If you go to Ni'ihau or South Point Big Island (these place are not kept clean) you will see everything!

If we can explain the indigenous birds, then we can explain the indigenous plant life.

Another common consensus is they compare us to the Galapagos Islands (we are far more remote) and say, "life just happens".

Are we talking "Magic Evolution" now?

[chimp3]

They flew there or hitched a ride on something that floated.

Some birds spend almost their entire lives on the wing. But there are also things that float in the sea so birds could perch on them for a bit and then fly around for a bit eventually making landfall.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170213-...te-islands




There you go.
No god required.

Contrary to popular belief, I have actually studied the subject a bit over the 20+ yrs I have lived here. There have been many landslides when a volcano comes out of it shield stage here that may explain an island to island migration. Some of the indigenous birds here are only found on one island. There is one migratory bird here. They fly all the way to Hawai'i from Alaska and back! It is an amazing story. How do they know it's here? This tiny dot in a very large ocean!

Yet, these islands are thousands of miles from anywhere! There are no seagulls here because it's way too far away. How did the others birds get here? The common report is that these migratory birds came here and quit flying! What would make them fly out into nothing! Come here and say, "That's it, I'm done with that shit!" Now their land birds?

Then theirs the Hawaiian Monk Seal. Where did they come from? The Mediterranean? Why don't they have ears? They are endangered because they are very territorial and often kill each other. They are their own worst enemy!

The only other mammal that lived, and still lives here, before man is the Hori Bat. They're really small! Someone suggested that they ended up here because of a large storm. Really?

As far as floating here thousands and thousand of miles with out food or water in giant ocean swells seems pretty impractical! Yet, in your defense, every piece of trash in the freakin' ocean you can think of ends up on our beaches. If you go to Ni'ihau or South Point Big Island (these place are not kept clean) you will see everything!

If we can explain the indigenous birds, then we can explain the indigenous plant life.

Another common consensus is they compare us to the Galapagos Islands (we are far more remote) and say, "life just happens".

Are we talking "Magic Evolution" now?

Well! Must be Magic Creation then!

[Haipule]

I don't believe in "creationism!" I don't believe in "something from nothing". I don't believe in magic evolution either. There has to be something more logical. Something simple we just aren't seeing whether God or nature.

If I look at it through a biblical lens, then the flood caused the "Expanding Earth Theory" introduced by science and not a clergy. Well, that expansion ain't too long ago. So the earth expands and eventually there is a hot spot in the pacific that makes islands far, far away from continents. Not too long ago.

Some shit happened here! Whatever happened is natural and explainable!

God Himself is NOT supernatural! He made this stuff, He didn't create a damned thing! Nowhere in the bible does it say "God Created". All such verbiage is translated into it by people whom manipulate Scripture! However, if we look closer, the bible only says make, form, build, establish--no "magic"! No "from nothing"! If we understand vacuum mechanics then nothing will ever need be "from nothing". Building blocks are building blocks!

Whatever happened here is from something natural, not magic evolution and not magic God! And whatever it was, was extremely fast!

I think that evolution is real to a logical point but, the long millions of years pre-biblical superimposed on biblical is going to work against you if we do not consider Hawai'i. And, do not recognize how ridiculously fast modern life came into being and is evolving compared to 4.56B years of existence.

[chimp3]

I don't believe in "creationism!" I don't believe in "something from nothing". I don't believe in magic evolution either. There has to be something more logical. Something simple we just aren't seeing whether God or nature.

If I look at it through a biblical lens, then the flood caused the "Expanding Earth Theory" introduced by science and not a clergy. Well, that expansion ain't too long ago. So the earth expands and eventually there is a hot spot in the pacific that makes islands far, far away from continents. Not too long ago.

Some shit happened here! Whatever happened is natural and explainable!

God Himself is NOT supernatural! He made this stuff, He didn't create a damned thing! Nowhere in the bible does it say "God Created". All such verbiage is translated into it by people whom manipulate Scripture! However, if we look closer, the bible only says make, form, build, establish--no "magic"! No "from nothing"! If we understand vacuum mechanics then nothing will ever need be "from nothing". Building blocks are building blocks!

Whatever happened here is from something natural, not magic evolution and not magic God! And whatever it was, was extremely fast!

I think that evolution is real to a logical point but, the long millions of years pre-biblical superimposed on biblical is going to work against you if we do not consider Hawai'i. And, do not recognize how ridiculously fast modern life came into being and is evolving compared to 4.56B years of existence.

I would never consider superimposing the pre-biblical on the biblical, with or with out Hawaii. The bible has no validity at all.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I don't believe in "creationism!" I don't believe in "something from nothing". I don't believe in magic evolution either. There has to be something more logical. Something simple we just aren't seeing whether God or nature.

If I look at it through a biblical lens, then the flood caused the "Expanding Earth Theory" introduced by science and not a clergy. Well, that expansion ain't too long ago. So the earth expands and eventually there is a hot spot in the pacific that makes islands far, far away from continents. Not too long ago.

Some shit happened here! Whatever happened is natural and explainable!

God Himself is NOT supernatural! He made this stuff, He didn't create a damned thing! Nowhere in the bible does it say "God Created". All such verbiage is translated into it by people whom manipulate Scripture! However, if we look closer, the bible only says make, form, build, establish--no "magic"! No "from nothing"! If we understand vacuum mechanics then nothing will ever need be "from nothing". Building blocks are building blocks!

Whatever happened here is from something natural, not magic evolution and not magic God! And whatever it was, was extremely fast!

I think that evolution is real to a logical point but, the long millions of years pre-biblical superimposed on biblical is going to work against you if we do not consider Hawai'i. And, do not recognize how ridiculously fast modern life came into being and is evolving compared to 4.56B years of existence.

No sensible person accepts the Expanding Earth Theory.

Boru

[Haipule]

I don't believe in "creationism!" I don't believe in "something from nothing". I don't believe in magic evolution either. There has to be something more logical. Something simple we just aren't seeing whether God or nature.

If I look at it through a biblical lens, then the flood caused the "Expanding Earth Theory" introduced by science and not a clergy. Well, that expansion ain't too long ago. So the earth expands and eventually there is a hot spot in the pacific that makes islands far, far away from continents. Not too long ago.

Some shit happened here! Whatever happened is natural and explainable!

God Himself is NOT supernatural! He made this stuff, He didn't create a damned thing! Nowhere in the bible does it say "God Created". All such verbiage is translated into it by people whom manipulate Scripture! However, if we look closer, the bible only says make, form, build, establish--no "magic"! No "from nothing"! If we understand vacuum mechanics then nothing will ever need be "from nothing". Building blocks are building blocks!

Whatever happened here is from something natural, not magic evolution and not magic God! And whatever it was, was extremely fast!

I think that evolution is real to a logical point but, the long millions of years pre-biblical superimposed on biblical is going to work against you if we do not consider Hawai'i. And, do not recognize how ridiculously fast modern life came into being and is evolving compared to 4.56B years of existence.

I would never consider superimposing the pre-biblical on the biblical, with or with out Hawaii. The bible has no validity at all.

Thanks for the proof!

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I don't believe in "creationism!" I don't believe in "something from nothing". I don't believe in magic evolution either. There has to be something more logical. Something simple we just aren't seeing whether God or nature.

If I look at it through a biblical lens, then the flood caused the "Expanding Earth Theory" introduced by science and not a clergy. Well, that expansion ain't too long ago. So the earth expands and eventually there is a hot spot in the pacific that makes islands far, far away from continents. Not too long ago.

Some shit happened here! Whatever happened is natural and explainable!

God Himself is NOT supernatural! He made this stuff, He didn't create a damned thing! Nowhere in the bible does it say "God Created". All such verbiage is translated into it by people whom manipulate Scripture! However, if we look closer, the bible only says make, form, build, establish--no "magic"! No "from nothing"! If we understand vacuum mechanics then nothing will ever need be "from nothing". Building blocks are building blocks!

Whatever happened here is from something natural, not magic evolution and not magic God! And whatever it was, was extremely fast!

I think that evolution is real to a logical point but, the long millions of years pre-biblical superimposed on biblical is going to work against you if we do not consider Hawai'i. And, do not recognize how ridiculously fast modern life came into being and is evolving compared to 4.56B years of existence.

No sensible person accepts the Expanding Earth Theory.

Boru

K'den, I'm not sensible! It actually 'splains a lot of science. Yet, when? The bible doesn't give me any 'when's'. Just 'what's'. I depend on science for the 'when's'.

So, there was this land mass, according to science called a "supercontinent"? Surrounded by water? That broke into continents? Was it just floating? How deep was the water? Was the world flat? If it wasn't flat: which part was underwater? If you add too much concrete and asphalt: will it sink? That is somehow, "sensible"? Compared to an expanded small earth? An Earth with a core? Oh, I'm sorry! I forgot that that might just prove a universal flood where water just came out of the sky! Well, we can't have that can we?

[Whateverist]

I don't believe in "creationism!" I don't believe in "something from nothing". I don't believe in magic evolution either. There has to be something more logical. Something simple we just aren't seeing whether God or nature.

If I look at it through a biblical lens, then the flood caused the "Expanding Earth Theory" introduced by science and not a clergy. Well, that expansion ain't too long ago. So the earth expands and eventually there is a hot spot in the pacific that makes islands far, far away from continents. Not too long ago.

Some shit happened here! Whatever happened is natural and explainable!

God Himself is NOT supernatural! He made this stuff, He didn't create a damned thing! Nowhere in the bible does it say "God Created". All such verbiage is translated into it by people whom manipulate Scripture! However, if we look closer, the bible only says make, form, build, establish--no "magic"! No "from nothing"! If we understand vacuum mechanics then nothing will ever need be "from nothing". Building blocks are building blocks!

Whatever happened here is from something natural, not magic evolution and not magic God! And whatever it was, was extremely fast!

I think that evolution is real to a logical point but, the long millions of years pre-biblical superimposed on biblical is going to work against you if we do not consider Hawai'i. And, do not recognize how ridiculously fast modern life came into being and is evolving compared to 4.56B years of existence.

We get it.  You have a hard time wrapping your head around such long stretches of time, and around evolution in particular.  Sorry no one can help you with that to your satisfaction.  I however am not at all distressed by that which causes you distress.  I don't feel entitled to know exactly how everything has come to be, but I am grateful to science for making so many answers available.

There isn't anything wrong with the theory of evolution.  It is every bit as respectable as the theory of gravity or the theories of optics.

[Anomalocaris]

I don't believe in "creationism!" I don't believe in "something from nothing". I don't believe in magic evolution either. There has to be something more logical. Something simple we just aren't seeing whether God or nature.

If I look at it through a biblical lens, then the flood caused the "Expanding Earth Theory" introduced by science and not a clergy. Well, that expansion ain't too long ago. So the earth expands and eventually there is a hot spot in the pacific that makes islands far, far away from continents. Not too long ago.

Some shit happened here! Whatever happened is natural and explainable!

God Himself is NOT supernatural! He made this stuff, He didn't create a damned thing! Nowhere in the bible does it say "God Created". All such verbiage is translated into it by people whom manipulate Scripture! However, if we look closer, the bible only says make, form, build, establish--no "magic"! No "from nothing"! If we understand vacuum mechanics then nothing will ever need be "from nothing". Building blocks are building blocks!

Whatever happened here is from something natural, not magic evolution and not magic God! And whatever it was, was extremely fast!

I think that evolution is real to a logical point but, the long millions of years pre-biblical superimposed on biblical is going to work against you if we do not consider Hawai'i. And, do not recognize how ridiculously fast modern life came into being and is evolving compared to 4.56B years of existence.

No sensible person accepts the Expanding Earth Theory.

Boru

If anything, the mean diameter of the earth likely shrank by a small amount, a few dozen to maybe a hundred feet or so, over its life, as more of the earth’s inner core cooled and underwent phase transition.

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Hawai'i, island of Kure, starting where the other islands have, and are now forming, is at best, according to science, 28M years old. The rest of the islands are much newer. One, the island of Hawai'i, isn't done yet and one, Lo'ihi, at least, will make it's appearance at some later date.

Yet, some of you have given me a evolutionary time scale and process. Did you ask Hawai'i if you are right? 

You say reptiles preceded birds. In Hawai'i, there are fossils of extinct pre-man birds but never a pre-man reptile? No dinosaurs! No land mammals! None! Nothing here fits your timeline or hypothesis!

Hawai'i is conveniently located in the middle of absolutely nowhere! Obviously, these unique Hawaiian birds did not have time to "evolve" here or, anywhere else, as they are/were only here! Obviously then, nor did they fly here!

So, 'splain me why they, the indigenous only to Hawai'i birds, with out time for a possible nothing to evolutionary existence process, and way too far to fly, are/were here--only here! I am asking you as I have no clue!

Throwing away the Bible would give you more time for real clues.

Many Birds can fly transoceanic distances as routine part of their yearly migration.  This is well documented and thus well known for centuries, although it was not documented inside the tiny part of the real world that would be familiar to the provincial Iron Age yokels who concocted the Bible, so if you resort to the excuse of Bible is somehow connected to the all knowning, that would explains why you, being no wiser than so ignorant and idiotic a rag as the Bible, can be so ignorant about birds.