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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
March 15, 2018 at 4:09 pm
(March 15, 2018 at 3:50 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (March 15, 2018 at 1:00 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I am not a yec. My proposition is that at some point during human evolution from apes, our brains developed just enough for moral free will (ie, moral responsibility/culpability).
I accept Adam and Eve having been real people, as very early humans with moral responsibility for wrong doings. But obviously I don't believe in the literal story, where there was a paradise garden with a snake and a forbidden apple.
When you say "very early humans" youre not saying they were the first of humankind, but two among many, right? Otherwise, it would be paradoxical to believe humans evolved from ancestral apes while also believing Adam and Eve were the two human ancestors of all humankind.
I take "Adam and Eve" to refer to the first male and the first female with sufficient moral awareness. That's not to say there weren't others that evolved after them, possibly from the same "family".
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
March 15, 2018 at 4:13 pm
Quote:Oh snap, I never saw that one before, guess I just converted. Rolleyes
What your proposing is just as absurd and irrational
Quote:People who really don't care about something don't need to go and start threads like:
Yes they do if they want to to talk about a religious subject and how silly or wrong it is .
Oh and ash is a thoroughly refuted kook . Who have fuck all to say .
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
March 15, 2018 at 4:21 pm
YEC theories makes so much sense though. Like from a scientific and logical point of view.
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
March 15, 2018 at 4:23 pm
(March 15, 2018 at 9:53 am)Grandizer Wrote: (March 15, 2018 at 6:13 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Here's one quick debunk: there are literally trees that are older then Creationists universe
The argument on their end is that these trees were created by God in a way as if they looked older than a few 6 thousand years ago when they're not. I know, it's not very compelling, but this is what we're dealing with here.
But hay, you must admire his attention to detail, I mean the growth rings he faked correspond exactly to ancient ice core samples that show climate conditions at any given time in the past.
Or did he fake the ice layers to match the tree rings? It's all sooo confusing.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
March 15, 2018 at 4:38 pm
(March 15, 2018 at 4:13 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:People who really don't care about something don't need to go and start threads like:
Yes they do if they want to to talk about a religious subject and how silly or wrong it is .
Aaaannnnnnd....their desire to talk about it indicates they care about it.
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
March 15, 2018 at 4:39 pm
(March 15, 2018 at 8:33 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (March 13, 2018 at 7:25 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: The "standard model" of young Earth creationism is so easily decimated. A 6,000 year old cosmos ... dinosaurs coexisting with humans ... Noah's Ark ... It's amazing that anyone still believes in this stuff. Young Earth creationism is a house of cards. Prove any one part of it wrong, and the whole thing comes crashing down.
So, I thought I'd make a thread where we could all share "quick debunks" of YEC theory. These should be no longer than 1-3 paragraphs long. Just something to throw in creationists' faces upon encountering their weak ass arguments. It would benefit us all to be armed with a pocket-full of quick takedowns.
I'll go first: The Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away from us. That means that when we look at Andromeda through a telescope, we do not see it as it exists today. We see it as it existed 2.5 million years ago. If the universe is only 6,000 years old as you say, this means that when God created the cosmos, he actually stretched the light from Andromeda to Earth. Why? To give anyone with a telescope good reason to doubt the accounts in Genesis? It makes no sense.
You'd make an excellent argument, IF it wasn't based on false equivalence...
Huggy, my argument isn't all that complicated. It doesn't even try to disprove God. All it's actually trying to do is say that there is evidence that the universe is older than 6,000 years. At the end of the post, I questioned why God would do this if he wanted people to believe that the universe is actually as young as portrayed in Genesis.
I thought it was a fair and honest argument. Other people may have thought of it first, but it's something I came up with on my own. I thought it made a good point. And I fail to see the false equivalence. Care to elaborate?
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
March 15, 2018 at 4:50 pm
(March 15, 2018 at 4:23 pm)Succubus Wrote: (March 15, 2018 at 9:53 am)Grandizer Wrote: The argument on their end is that these trees were created by God in a way as if they looked older than a few 6 thousand years ago when they're not. I know, it's not very compelling, but this is what we're dealing with here.
But hay, you must admire his attention to detail, I mean the growth rings he faked correspond exactly to ancient ice core samples that show climate conditions at any given time in the past.
Or did he fake the ice layers to match the tree rings? It's all sooo confusing. You know what they say, "The Devil's in the core samples."
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
March 15, 2018 at 4:52 pm
(March 15, 2018 at 4:39 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: (March 15, 2018 at 8:33 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You'd make an excellent argument, IF it wasn't based on false equivalence...
Huggy, my argument isn't all that complicated. It doesn't even try to disprove God. All it's actually trying to do is say that there is evidence that the universe is older than 6,000 years. At the end of the post, I questioned why God would do this if he wanted people to believe that the universe is actually as young as portrayed in Genesis.
I thought it was a fair and honest argument. Other people may have thought of it first, but it's something I came up with on my own. I thought it made a good point. And I fail to see the false equivalence. Care to elaborate?
YOUNG EARTH does not mean YOUNG UNIVERSE.
Too be clear I'm not a YEC, because no where in the Bible does it state that the earth is 6000 years old.
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
March 15, 2018 at 4:53 pm
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Quote:Aaaannnnnnd....their desire to talk about it indicates they care about it.
Nope it can also indicates it's whimsical topic that one need not invest a huge amount thought in to show it's absurdity and then mock .Thus your once again wrong . But that's no surprise .
Or it can be an intellectual curiosity of fiction . No different then debating who's stronger Thor or the Hulk . Does not mean ithink ragnarok's coming or that gamma rays will create super beings . So once again your silly claim were just trying to "sin" is rendered the derpy apologist slander it's always been .
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
March 15, 2018 at 4:58 pm
(March 15, 2018 at 4:52 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (March 15, 2018 at 4:39 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Huggy, my argument isn't all that complicated. It doesn't even try to disprove God. All it's actually trying to do is say that there is evidence that the universe is older than 6,000 years. At the end of the post, I questioned why God would do this if he wanted people to believe that the universe is actually as young as portrayed in Genesis.
I thought it was a fair and honest argument. Other people may have thought of it first, but it's something I came up with on my own. I thought it made a good point. And I fail to see the false equivalence. Care to elaborate?
YOUNG EARTH does not mean YOUNG UNIVERSE.
Too be clear I'm not a YEC, because no where in the Bible does it state that the earth is 6000 years old.
Taken literally, and assuming that there weren't gaps in the genealogy list from Adam up till now, the Bible does seem to imply that the earth is fairly young (a few thousand years old). But putting that aside, would you have been a YEC if the Bible had stated it clearly to you that the earth is few thousand years old?
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